You can tell that people like me and grarpamp are in serious trouble, because we are complaining about problems instead of doing work together to solve them. That is not how a software developer, or an anarchist, ever behaves. Communication is crucial: but spending time primarily arguing gets very little done. No working community member waits, of their own free will, for others to solve their problems, unless they are not free to do so themselves. Autonomy and code. [[spam] like usual; I'm in a dissociated state posting this, and it's very hard to judge the content.]
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 6:38 AM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
You can tell that people like me and grarpamp are in serious trouble, because we are complaining about problems instead of doing work together to solve them.
That is not how a software developer, or an anarchist, ever behaves. Communication is crucial: but spending time primarily arguing gets very little done.
discussion is necessary to define the problem space - without a clear definition of the problem, you may attempt to solve non-problems, wasting time. what is interesting about software development is that work done at the design phase impacts all the others after it: implementation, deployment, maintenance, and support. in software security, you actually want to go slow and fully define your problems - screw up and you might not just break the app, you may destroy the privacy of your users! a penny wise up front saves pounds of error later... that said: time spent talking past each other is not discourse - it's blathering; wasting time. the key is to find and support productive conversations!
No working community member waits, of their own free will, for others to solve their problems, unless they are not free to do so themselves.
the complexity of modern life often means we don't know how to solve the problems facing us. they are simply too intractable for a single individual to comprehend and resolve entirely themselves. the key here is to not get discouraged. remember that in decentralized systems each individual node contributes to the health of the whole. we don't need to solve all our problems, but we should try to solve the immediate, tractable ones while supporting efforts to tackle larger issues.
Autonomy and code.
[[spam] like usual; I'm in a dissociated state posting this, and it's very hard to judge the content.]
code can indeed help solve our problems. but it also creates new ones... such is life ;P best regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRBwSuMMH1+IZiqV4FlqEfnwrk4DAUCYIG6Al8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NDFD MTJCOEMzMDdEN0UyMTk4QUE1NzgxNjVBODQ3RTdDMkI5MzgwQwAKCRBlqEfnwrk4 DCVmAQCCNhUN5v+pywRUDumGYRT+uSgOQ5Hqej8Rm/0BIojeuwD/acvbZlWiyWzI gJ+/VhJg3Tv8uKv9TMDWsOlju8olJRY= =iFSZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi coderman ^ any middle monkeys, On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:02 PM coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
That is not how a software developer, or an anarchist, ever behaves. Communication is crucial: but spending time primarily arguing gets very little done.
discussion is necessary to define the problem space - without a clear definition of the problem, you may attempt to solve non-problems, wasting time.
what is interesting about software development is that work done at the design phase impacts all the others after it: implementation, deployment, maintenance, and support.
in software security, you actually want to go slow and fully define your problems - screw up and you might not just break the app, you may destroy the privacy of your users!
I don't hear you introducing any ideas here, but I'm aware you have some form of the issue too. grarpamp mentioned a present aspect of security discussion: others can take what one discusses, before it is implemented. What problem spaces do you see or are passionate about? Are you working on anything? I don't know what is going on, so I assume it's whatever the worst possible thing is. That's always worked for me in the past. I've been forced to destroy evidence of some really important things, so I work on blockchain storage sometimes. I've also been deniably brainwashed so I work on eeg technology sometimes, so such things can have more proof some day. I'm interested in most other parts of problem spaces but haven't worked on most of them recently. Often I find myself gravitating towards AI technology which is clearly and slowly replacing software development. In my edge spaces I work with open hardware and radio a little. I'm not sure I'm _able_ to help these situations with work ... not because it is technically impossible, but because of my brainwashing ...
a penny wise up front saves pounds of error later...
that said: time spent talking past each other is not discourse - it's blathering; wasting time.
the key is to find and support productive conversations!
YES! Concise, clear, relevant, inclusive, and productive ...
No working community member waits, of their own free will, for others to solve their problems, unless they are not free to do so themselves.
the complexity of modern life often means we don't know how to solve the problems facing us. they are simply too intractable for a single individual to comprehend and resolve entirely themselves.
This is not something I expect to hear on a list of this nature.
the key here is to not get discouraged. remember that in decentralized systems each individual node contributes to the health of the whole.
we don't need to solve all our problems, but we should try to solve the immediate, tractable ones while supporting efforts to tackle larger issues.
Autonomy and code.
[[spam] like usual; I'm in a dissociated state posting this, and it's very hard to judge the content.]
code can indeed help solve our problems. but it also creates new ones... such is life ;P
That's a big statement, but on a small scale, when you learn to walk from a chair to a door, it involves discovering the many new problems of moving your legs and balancing your body upright: but still, you do eventually solve the entire tree of problems and reach that door with your legs. It's notable that this situation probably has a good solution that may or may not have code as its primary part. best regards,
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 12:41 PM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi coderman ^ any middle monkeys,
*waves*
I don't hear you introducing any ideas here, but I'm aware you have some form of the issue too.
my issues are mostly time related. there's just not enough of it to do everything i want to do in personal life, family life, work life, recreation life. such is the human condition :) i am fortunate that health issues have relented. those can impair your fuction completely. :/
What problem spaces do you see or are passionate about? Are you working on anything?
right now i am working on technology that facilitates content discovery, sourcing, and validation. if you can validate information on social media, it becomes news. if you invalidate claims on social media, it becomes misinformation. distinguishing between news and misinfo is a hard problem, and critical to fighting lies, misinformation, propaganda, etc. it's also surprisingly fraught with technical and human challenges :) not really cypherpunky, so i don't bring it up here...
I've been forced to destroy evidence of some really important things, so I work on blockchain storage sometimes.
this is important - we take persistence for granted. but it must be intentionally maintained! so much digital history is sent to /dev/null
I've also been deniably brainwashed so I work on eeg technology sometimes, so such things can have more proof some day.
i look forward to turning these read-only brain technologies into read/write :P
I'm interested in most other parts of problem spaces but haven't worked on most of them recently. Often I find myself gravitating towards AI technology which is clearly and slowly replacing software development. In my edge spaces I work with open hardware and radio a little.
check out this 2.6 trillion transistor processor for AI workloads : https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/processors/cerebras-giant... we'll likely see this level of compute in personal hands in our lifetimes :)
I'm not sure I'm _able_ to help these situations with work ... not because it is technically impossible, but because of my brainwashing ...
even if you can't directly contribute, there is value in learning and testing these technologies - you never know who will find your experience relevant to what they're up to. keep on developing! and take care of yourself, best regards, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRBwSuMMH1+IZiqV4FlqEfnwrk4DAUCYIMzaV8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NDFD MTJCOEMzMDdEN0UyMTk4QUE1NzgxNjVBODQ3RTdDMkI5MzgwQwAKCRBlqEfnwrk4 DJEeAP0U86p/62Jm7R1/1RD31ENRfcI9Urt/Fre+VdLRu085jAD/c0u+BCl1TcZ2 syRfwjxx6GLziYxQHHN/5XnTxcLNMcM= =DYVb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Thanks for your nice replies. my mind is scattered, but i'm sending this e-mail to do the friendly reply thing. if you have a link to your validation project maybe i can test it out or something.
Hi coderman ^ any middle monkeys, *waves*
What problem spaces do you see or are passionate about? Are you working on anything?
right now i am working on technology that facilitates content discovery, sourcing, and validation.
if you can validate information on social media, it becomes news.
if you invalidate claims on social media, it becomes misinformation.
distinguishing between news and misinfo is a hard problem, and critical to fighting lies, misinformation, propaganda, etc.
what can we do to support your work? [that sounds like cool (and important) work. i'm curious. I always think towards pointing towards blockchained history, to validate things. I rediscovered prolog and logic programming recently. Interesting ideas of formal validation of statements of facts. Machine learning algorithms can now somewhat break the automation barrier between statement and experience.]
I've also been deniably brainwashed so I work on eeg technology sometimes, so such things can have more proof some day.
i look forward to turning these read-only brain technologies into read/write :P
there's been read/write tech for some time, although that hasn't been my focus. what are you looking for in this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_direct-current_stimulation
I'm interested in most other parts of problem spaces but haven't worked on most of them recently. Often I find myself gravitating towards AI technology which is clearly and slowly replacing software development. In my edge spaces I work with open hardware and radio a little.
check out this 2.6 trillion transistor processor for AI workloads : https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/processors/cerebras-giant...
we'll likely see this level of compute in personal hands in our lifetimes :)
i've always been big on optimising algorithms, but yeah it does look like that kind of thing will happen pretty soon.
I'm not sure I'm _able_ to help these situations with work ... not because it is technically impossible, but because of my brainwashing ...
even if you can't directly contribute, there is value in learning and testing these technologies - you never know who will find your experience relevant to what they're up to.
small parts! small parts =)
Complaint, definition, expose, of one side, then all... general observatory toolset then applicable by many, to divining the most common denominator across ailments, solving for its removal. And for, the voluntary paths to roads, necessarily reverse engineer and exploit the old programming.
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