Criticism of a recent Ninth Circuit Court case regarding email searches.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/surprisingly-weak-reasoning-mohamud [Partial quote follows}By Orin Kerr Friday, December 23, 2016, 7:30 AMIn a recent post here at Lawfare, April Doss argues that the Ninth Circuit’s decision in United States v. Mohamud “got it right.” In her view, the critics of the decision—myself included—are just wrong. I disagree. Here’s why I think the reasoning of the decision is hard to defend. First, an important caveat: My argument is about reasoning and not result. A lot of discussion on Mohamud focuses on the bottom line of which side won. That’s understandable, but it’s not my concern. My concern is whether the reasoning of the case makes sense as a matter of Fourth Amendment law.When viewed from that perspective, Mohamud strikes me as awkward and unconvincing. Its core holding is weak and hard to square with Supreme Court doctrine. Other parts of it border on the incoherent. And it could have reached its result much more easily without the conceptual wrong turns. I. There Is No “Targeting” Doctrine in Fourth Amendment LawIn Mohamud, the government obtained e-mails from a monitoring point inside the United States that collected e-mails between Mohamud inside the United States and another person who was a foreigner outside the United States. Mohamud had Fourth Amendment rights; the other person didn’t. How does the Fourth Amendment apply to a communication in transit between them? Here’s the Ninth Circuit’s first key Fourth Amendment holding:[end of partial quote]
All humans have basic human rights to privacy, freedom from arbitrary search and seizure, due process, torture, murder, etc... regardless of where they are, what citizenship they claim, or who is interested in them. Any govt that adopts anything less than the highest existing embodiment of such principles, wherever it is found in the world, should be laughed at for among other things, its own hyprocrisy. A specific targeted warrant should be required for all such things. With routine police work to both support and follow from that. Put another way, it's not as if there wouldn't be such a single law, interpretation and applicability if a one world government gets its way. Except that by that time any rights may be an unrecognizably twisted relic of the past. Which is exactly what some of these interpretations and interpreters are trying to twist around jurisdictons and rationales with today.
On Dec 23, 2016, at 2:54 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
All humans have basic human rights to privacy, freedom from arbitrary search and seizure, due process, torture, murder, etc... regardless of where they are, what citizenship they claim, or who is interested in them. Any govt that adopts anything less than the highest existing embodiment of such principles, wherever it is found in the world, should be laughed at for among other things, its own hyprocrisy. A specific targeted warrant should be required for all such things. With routine police work to both support and follow from that.
Put another way, it's not as if there wouldn't be such a single law, interpretation and applicability if a one world government gets its way. Except that by that time any rights may be an unrecognizably twisted relic of the past. Which is exactly what some of these interpretations and interpreters are trying to twist around jurisdictons and rationales with today.
This is simply a continuation of the society that we all were born into and most revel in (well, most in the 1st worlds…) Before the notion of a government, many of these ‘issues’ never arose. Murder and theft? Sure. Modern society, as we know it, gives zero fucks about the notion of a human right — As do many (most) of the humans involved. It’s already a foreign concept.
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