arkitech: The fact that you know the IP of the nodes does not reveal anything else about the node behind
Is the network traffic any way identifiable as being USPS traffic, some nice patterns and deep inspection signs, port number, the list of all other nodes it is connecting to... in some countries running that node is enough to get users jailed or killed, internet connection shut off, questions asked, etc.
not who is the source of information on any transaction, not the recipient, not the message. The only think that reveal that there is a node behind exchanging encrypted traffic with other nodes.
Which node decrypts that info packets? Does that node know what IP that came from? When user A clicks mouse send money to B, can NSA or ISP or Sybil nodes trace that impulse back through the network? What other application and chaff traffic is going through the net to hide it? Are the transaction addresses and amounts encrypted? No timestamps too. Can big numbers of Sybil nodes opensource hack the system to defeat such things, to trace coin network back. Remember, IPv4 and rooms full of Pi's are totally free resource for govt, corp and soldier groups. And govts definitely do not like monetary freedom, unless the freedom gets to the politician pocket first. But users are not permitted to use i2p, onion, etc to help defend? Even non privacy coin Bitcoin-BTC can use overlay networks. Even BTC protocol over wire is still not encrypted with modern crypto, lol.
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arkitech: The fact that you know the IP of the nodes does not reveal anything else about the node behind
Is the network traffic any way identifiable as being USPS traffic, some nice patterns and deep inspection signs, port number, the list of all other nodes it is connecting to... in some countries running that node is enough to get users jailed or killed, internet connection shut off, questions asked, etc.
First I have too state that I have not implemented anything related to the anonymization layer that is under the responsibility to the Tor project (or others) or the potential new one I could implement in the future to complete the project (The anonymization layer). Today's implementation of USPS is the cryptoplatform providing pseudoanonymity. The layer of anonymity that can be implemented with the same nodes that run the cryptocurrency can be used as anonymization layer. In this network the traffic as is today could be wrapped into a pattern of traffic that hides the real pattern. All these concerns belong to the onion layer and will be tackled at the right time in the USPS project.
not who is the source of information on any transaction, not the recipient, not the message. The only think that reveal that there is a node behind exchanging encrypted traffic with other nodes.
Which node decrypts that info packets? Does that node know what IP that came from?
When user A clicks mouse send money to B, can NSA or ISP or Sybil nodes trace that impulse back through the network? What other application and chaff traffic is going through the net to hide it?
Are the transaction addresses and amounts encrypted? No timestamps too.
Can big numbers of Sybil nodes opensource hack the system to defeat such things, to trace coin network back.
Remember, IPv4 and rooms full of Pi's are totally free resource for govt, corp and soldier groups. And govts definitely do not like monetary freedom, unless the freedom gets to the politician pocket first.
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man. I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can. By the time USPS reach the volume of Bitcoin it would have much many more nodes spreaded across all the IPv4 pools, which means that the algorithm can be improved to pick only votes from a unbiased distribution of IP4 across pools. If a powerful Gov decides to use a big pool of IP4 to attack the network, and the IP4 pools are spread across the worls, the voters will be evenly distributed across the world, it will be very hard for a single Gov to shut it down. It would have to collude with other Big govs, increasing the difficulty for them. They would need to collude up to the point to make 51% of the surface of the Earth to agree on that. That's not gonna happen.
But users are not permitted to use i2p, onion, etc to help defend?
Even non privacy coin Bitcoin-BTC can use overlay networks.
Even BTC protocol over wire is still not encrypted with modern crypto, lol.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the privacy. cheers
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators. Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too. But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS. Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network, any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can.
And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the privacy.
??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical address and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long time. In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, May 11, 2020 9:56 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators. Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too.
But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS.
Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network, any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
This project is about solving the system: A) without PoW, which consumes too much energy and induce to centralization (network shrink) and territorial segregation forces B) without PoS, or any other Po* I've considered during my design (e.g. biased cryptoeconomy, e.g. PoS allows mining to those who have more wealth) I encourage you to find another available scarce resource that meets the criteria of being unbiased and I'll consider it to be used instead of taking advantage of the scarcity of IPv4 addresses. Additionally, all criticism towards USPS related to anonymity goes to a proper overlay layer compatible with such rule. Tor is not valid because is unable to apply the limiting rule. I'll either propose a patch to Tor or develop an anonymity layer in the future, near or far, depending on the priorities of every stage of the project. Hope it serves.
I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can.
And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the privacy.
??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical address and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long time.
In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.
Hi OA, I was thinking about how there are a lot of ongoing projects working hard to solve these various problems of replacing existing network infrastructure with an improvement, keeping users safe and empowering them, etc etc. There are a _lot_ of experienced software developers on these lists and many of us are kind of working in bubbles on our projects, often duplicating each others' work. Would you be at all interested in moving towards sharing effort and interoperability with others, even merging codebases if a roughly identical project were going on? A really major current effort is gnunet https://gnunet.org/ which modularizes p2p networking functions for reuse, as local services that provide them I believe. It's very powerful but very few projects are using it; setup and a verbose learning curve might be an entry barrier, unsure. K On Mon, May 11, 2020, 6:40 AM other.arkitech <other.arkitech@protonmail.com> wrote:
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, May 11, 2020 9:56 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators. Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too.
But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS.
Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network, any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
This project is about solving the system: A) without PoW, which consumes too much energy and induce to centralization (network shrink) and territorial segregation forces B) without PoS, or any other Po* I've considered during my design (e.g. biased cryptoeconomy, e.g. PoS allows mining to those who have more wealth)
I encourage you to find another available scarce resource that meets the criteria of being unbiased and I'll consider it to be used instead of taking advantage of the scarcity of IPv4 addresses.
Additionally, all criticism towards USPS related to anonymity goes to a proper overlay layer compatible with such rule. Tor is not valid because is unable to apply the limiting rule. I'll either propose a patch to Tor or develop an anonymity layer in the future, near or far, depending on the priorities of every stage of the project.
Hope it serves.
I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can.
And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not
USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the
in privacy.
??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical
address
and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long time.
In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:25 AM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi OA,
I was thinking about how there are a lot of ongoing projects working hard to solve these various problems of replacing existing network infrastructure with an improvement, keeping users safe and empowering them, etc etc.
There are a _lot_ of experienced software developers on these lists and many of us are kind of working in bubbles on our projects, often duplicating each others' work.
Would you be at all interested in moving towards sharing effort and interoperability with others, even merging codebases if a roughly identical project were going on?
Yes I am interested on the idea. I like the bubble style because i think it is more efficient many times. A head, a codebase. Working on multiple products, (as many as devs), is the recipe for avoiding conflicts and byzantine discussions, and generating an army of competitive products. It is great to exchange help, work, pieces of code, etc in a "I work for your project and you work for my project" or something alike I'll be around : ) A really major current effort is gnunet https://gnunet.org/ which modularizes p2p networking functions for reuse, as local services that provide them I believe. It's very powerful but very few projects are using it; setup and a verbose learning curve might be an entry barrier, unsure.
K
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 6:40 AM other.arkitech <other.arkitech@protonmail.com> wrote:
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, May 11, 2020 9:56 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators. Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too.
But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS.
Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network, any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
This project is about solving the system: A) without PoW, which consumes too much energy and induce to centralization (network shrink) and territorial segregation forces B) without PoS, or any other Po* I've considered during my design (e.g. biased cryptoeconomy, e.g. PoS allows mining to those who have more wealth)
I encourage you to find another available scarce resource that meets the criteria of being unbiased and I'll consider it to be used instead of taking advantage of the scarcity of IPv4 addresses.
Additionally, all criticism towards USPS related to anonymity goes to a proper overlay layer compatible with such rule. Tor is not valid because is unable to apply the limiting rule. I'll either propose a patch to Tor or develop an anonymity layer in the future, near or far, depending on the priorities of every stage of the project.
Hope it serves.
I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can.
And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the privacy.
??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical address and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long time.
In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:25 AM, Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi OA,
I was thinking about how there are a lot of ongoing projects working hard to solve these various problems of replacing existing network infrastructure with an improvement, keeping users safe and empowering them, etc etc.
There are a _lot_ of experienced software developers on these lists and many of us are kind of working in bubbles on our projects, often duplicating each others' work.
Would you be at all interested in moving towards sharing effort and interoperability with others, even merging codebases if a roughly identical project were going on?
Yes I am interested on the idea. I like the bubble style because i think it is more efficient many times. A head, a codebase. Working on multiple products, (as many as devs), is the recipe for avoiding conflicts and byzantine discussions, and generating an army of competitive products. It is great to exchange help, work, pieces of code, etc in a "I work for your project and you work for my project" or something alike
I'll be around : )
A really major current effort is gnunet https://gnunet.org/ which modularizes p2p networking functions for reuse, as local services that provide them I believe. It's very powerful but very few projects are using it; setup and a verbose learning curve might be an entry barrier, unsure.
K
On Mon, May 11, 2020, 6:40 AM other.arkitech <other.arkitech@protonmail.com> wrote:
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Monday, May 11, 2020 9:56 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not afraid of IP4, the resource is already scarce and their cost provides a good measure against attackers that are not The Man.
They have almost zero cost. Any retard can botnet hundred thousand of computers IP and proxy them ports all back to farm of pi's / emulators. Any govt can use all its thousands of worldwide residents embassy and military staffs to get worldwide IP's pools without even any sneaky attacks like abusing secret FVEY++ peers to give them IP proxy of unused addresses from networks too.
But no, USPS cannot give user ability to overlay network exit for help ensure their privacy, because only IPv4 is "safe" for USPS.
Bitcoin have many many privacy overlay users, even full mining nodes on overlay for their privacy, do you see it be not "safe" for Bitcoin network, any real incident of that, from even day one to now.
This project is about solving the system: A) without PoW, which consumes too much energy and induce to centralization (network shrink) and territorial segregation forces B) without PoS, or any other Po* I've considered during my design (e.g. biased cryptoeconomy, e.g. PoS allows mining to those who have more wealth)
I encourage you to find another available scarce resource that meets the criteria of being unbiased and I'll consider it to be used instead of taking advantage of the scarcity of IPv4 addresses.
Additionally, all criticism towards USPS related to anonymity goes to a proper overlay layer compatible with such rule. Tor is not valid because is unable to apply the limiting rule. I'll either propose a patch to Tor or develop an anonymity layer in the future, near or far, depending on the priorities of every stage of the project.
Hope it serves.
I am not scares about Govs too, since they haven't moved a finger yet against bitcoin, even though they can.
And if they do this network blocking of BTC and USPS, which will going to still be transact... only those on the overlays... which means BTC win USPS die, because USPS not allow user to use privacy overlay.
The public protocol do not need to be encrypted neither in Bitcoin not in USPS. USPS is running encrypted today though. The fact that Tx or consensus protocol goes in clear doesn't affect the pseudaanonymity nor the privacy.
??? Move to Thailand / China / wherever / everywhere that spies your network wire, builds nice big databases of everything you do on it, use Bitcoin to pay a cleartext tx from your photo ID IPv4 node physical address and Bitcoin address, to cleartext to some online market known Bitcoin address for some weed, or tx/rx a hello Tiananmen 1989 65 in blockchain message data field. Your ass is going to jail, be in database, for long time.
In general, all coins should be encrypted and network overlay-able.
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