-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote: On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote:
Because? :o)
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Mailvelope v1.8.0 Comment: https://www.mailvelope.com wsFcBAEBCAAQBQJZyUg4CRBZjK9onG2ZjwAADocQAKus3iS4m4v2G9eiLO+m 7+99AWXEy6pPdLbVHmXP8l21e5Zi3CXYWnORlA2XBkcZ5uJxmr+REiV3uHNR fXPd909jXeZPcr9VMztkYBz7ZbVKFTuohoXVkYBmBLnMMCO3Z0REktqiakto F8CJsX1ANCN7U3nLmNJBq7FQc45T3K4UxfDKm1W34oHoo3iy41lAieqvNNFs Ezhf18BLvxRMBhPUNqPtOBLx+MdvLOQ1xSt2vDgqRey/fJfPCR/aUotik95i 6P0lU4A1uhPjjn1RHKV9wzmdgid+E9jND0386gvacaa0tfh0towBYo7MFDaD hloSnSDOzFRbGkvxnjhqDBitTuT6iIQCqtGusawHZ/QBSxXk6yRrxVanQtPT K9v6jOODqXP292AUGE32zgy84fXvjNyMfJ1fQqEuOKwqp1cKeGmBQcq6z/4U mT9AMf7XTHMu5on+UP5CiOJ2rDJL17IObxw1Sahln5PVgQQglNyxl7Z7HeWH GtkTJWR26k5Vs6JZJI5QzXr73+g/2yONISe5ACMHEyoUN5Ce0A4C9iI420Zg spQyKwHhnIoAS467nwVITplqvBGI+nqW0cvhzyAOax3Q5D69Rz+DV8gSX3wZ ydSk0EyCGYHLnCagNEpq9Dbv1rLmDkpwVlPqDpzI+2D2H8WPdc4ukDSnpHi3 340z =tzpi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 09/25/2017 02:18 PM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote:
Because? :o)
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell
Good enough for me! Oh wait... How do I know you are who you say you are? Enigmail imported a public key 598CAF689C6D998F, which I would bet a nickel is Jim's - but the message above returned "BAD signature from Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>" Curses, foiled again! :o)
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 15:54:02 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 09/25/2017 02:18 PM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote:
Because? :o)
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell
Good enough for me!
Oh wait... How do I know you are who you say you are?
Enigmail imported a public key 598CAF689C6D998F, which I would bet a nickel is Jim's - but the message above returned "BAD signature from Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>"
yeah, that is not working
Curses, foiled again!
:o)
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 12:54:38 PM PDT, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote: On 09/25/2017 02:18 PM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote: [deleted]
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell
Good enough for me!
Oh wait... How do I know you are who you say you are?
Enigmail imported a public key 598CAF689C6D998F, which I would bet a nickel is Jim's - but the message above returned "BAD signature from Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com>"
Curses, foiled again!
Yes, Yahoo as a email client is appearing to me to be increasingly frustrating. Years ago, I recognized that it was technically incompetent and hopelessly PC. But its mail is terrible. Jim Bell
On 09/25/2017 06:07 PM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 12:54:38 PM PDT, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote: On 09/25/2017 02:18 PM, jim bell wrote:
Enigmail imported a public key 598CAF689C6D998F, which I would bet a nickel is Jim's - but the message above returned "BAD signature from Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com <mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com>>"
Curses, foiled again!
Yes, Yahoo as a email client is appearing to me to be increasingly frustrating. Years ago, I recognized that it was technically incompetent and hopelessly PC. But its mail is terrible. Jim Bell
Once Upon A Time, I got so damned tired of Yahoo! "mail" that I registered a domain name and got a web hosting account /just/ for real e-mail service. It was WAY worth it. Shameless plug: For hosting I like Pair Networks a lot. More fun: Thunderbird speaks POP, IMAP and lately, even integrates with GMail and Yahoo! if so required. The Enigmail plugin makes crypto functions e-z, even has a wizard for making brand new keys, as a mail-oriented front end for GPG. Reasonable security and reliability != difficulty and complexity for the end user; as far as I can tell the belief that things are the opposite of that is a product of 30 years of snake oil vendors disparaging simple, effective professional tools. :o)
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 02:43:27AM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 06:07 PM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 12:54:38 PM PDT, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote: On 09/25/2017 02:18 PM, jim bell wrote:
Enigmail imported a public key 598CAF689C6D998F, which I would bet a nickel is Jim's - but the message above returned "BAD signature from Jim Bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com <mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com>>"
Curses, foiled again!
Yes, Yahoo as a email client is appearing to me to be increasingly frustrating. Years ago, I recognized that it was technically incompetent and hopelessly PC. ?? ??But its mail is terrible. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Jim Bell
Once Upon A Time, I got so damned tired of Yahoo! "mail" that I registered a domain name and got a web hosting account /just/ for real e-mail service. It was WAY worth it. Shameless plug: For hosting I like Pair Networks a lot.
I still use a hosting company out of my home town, in good ol' Tejas. But I did something very similar, except I maintain all the mailer software and the system itself. It's nice to have full control over your domain / website / nameserver / mailserver / whatever, if you can spare the minmimal amount of time to get it up and keep it running.
More fun: Thunderbird speaks POP, IMAP and lately, even integrates with GMail and Yahoo! if so required. The Enigmail plugin makes crypto functions e-z, even has a wizard for making brand new keys, as a mail-oriented front end for GPG.
Mutt speaks IMAP and also works quite well with a local Maildir box, if you happen to be running it on your mail server (and it's particularly fast with larger boxes when you've enabled header cache - I recommend lmdb as the backend). And it does GPG/PGP nicely with no need for plugins, just a few config lines which can be quickly found on google.. Of course, it's not everyone's cup of tea, and maybe I'll revisit Thunderbird some day.. I generally use either mutt or whatever mail client I'm stuck with according to which phone I happen to have on me at the time.
Reasonable security and reliability != difficulty and complexity for the end user; as far as I can tell the belief that things are the opposite of that is a product of 30 years of snake oil vendors disparaging simple, effective professional tools.
I'm sure this is true. I just like fucking around with the system :P
His keys load fine but none of his signed messages verify. See if mailvelope can even read / write, cut / paste, signed messages properly with test files on disk. Try setting yahoo sending / compose options to disable html mail and emoticons, enable stuff like "plain text" "ascii" "rfc <whatever>". Try sending each setting to self for verify test. Or switch from webmail to a local SMTP, IMAP / POP client such as any of the ones posted earlier and configured to use these settings... https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN4075.html https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN4724.html Make backups, "keep messages on server", etc as prudent.
On 09/25/2017 07:18 AM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote:
Because? :o)
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell
Well, Bitcoin price has increased more-or-less exponentially, since the beginning. With occasional boom and bust cycles on top of that trend. The most notable booms have started on the following dates. I've also noted the time since the previous boom start. late Apr-2011 mid Mar-2013 ~23 months late Oct-2013 ~7 months mid May-2014 ~7 months late May-2016 ~25 months late Dec-2016 ~7 months mid Feb-2017 ~2 months early May-2017 ~3 months late Jul-2017 ~3 months The price is increasing now. And it's been about two months since the last boom started. So ...
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 8:25:27 PM PDT, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: On 09/25/2017 07:18 AM, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 11:08:11 AM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 09/25/2017 01:50 PM, jim bell wrote:
Because? :o)
Because I said so. Bo) Jim Bell
Well, Bitcoin price has increased more-or-less exponentially, since the beginning. With occasional boom and bust cycles on top of that trend. The most notable booms have started on the following dates. I've also noted the time since the previous boom start.
late Apr-2011 mid Mar-2013 ~23 months late Oct-2013 ~7 months mid May-2014 ~7 months late May-2016 ~25 months late Dec-2016 ~7 months mid Feb-2017 ~2 months early May-2017 ~3 months late Jul-2017 ~3 months
The price is increasing now. And it's been about two months since the last boom started. So ...
You may notice that one of these booms started about late October 2013. This was slightly before that anonymous person, operating under the name "Sanjuro", contacted me for the first and last time. (I think over the Tor Network, by a kind of emai; I didn't understand it; I just responded to what looked like an "email" to me.) After wishing him good luck and "Thanks", I decided to direct him to Andy Greenberg, that editor for Forbes who wrote about me in his book. (I had been pissed that Greenberg hadn't checked his facts about me very well: I was trying to throw Greenberg a 'hot potato' and intending that it embarrass him when he failed to write about 'Sanjuro'.) Much to my surprise, about a week later Greenberg wrote an EXTREMELY influential article about Sanjuro and his "Assassination Market": https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination... Within a day or so of that article's appearance, I think that maybe 100 other articles had appeared by other authors; a few copied what Greenberg wrote, but most simply wrote similar articles. Many hundreds of other articles appeared in subsequent days, weeks, and months. I suspect it was close to 1000 total. The result was a veritable explosion of publicity. If you look at the history of Bitcoin's price during this time frame, you will see that not only did its price rise dramatically subsequently after Greenberg's article appeared (a factor of three, approx: I can see a change from $206-$1100., in a chart with very low resolution, but also rose substantially prior to when he talked to me. I suspect that I reasonable conclusion is that somebody or somebodies purchased a substantial amount of Bitcoin prior to 'Sanjuro's contact with me, and made a handsome profit once the article appeared. Sadly, and I am embarrassed to admit, I was NOT one of those "somebodies". Keep all this in mind now. Jim Bell
Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins Andy Greenberg , Forbes Staff, Covering the worlds of data security, privacy and hacker culture. Nov 18, 2013 @ 08:30 AM As Bitcoin becomes an increasingly popular form of digital cash, the cryptocurrency is being accepted in exchange for everything from socks to sushi to heroin. If one anarchist has his way, it'll soon be used to buy murder, too. Last month I received an encrypted email from someone calling himself by the pseudonym Kuwabatake Sanjuro, who pointed me towards his recent creation: The website Assassination Market, a crowdfunding service that lets anyone anonymously contribute bitcoins towards a bounty on the head of any government official--a kind of Kickstarter for political assassinations. According to Assassination Market's rules, if someone on its hit list is killed--and yes, Sanjuro hopes that many targets will be--any hitman who can prove he or she was responsible receives the collected funds. For now, the site's rewards are small but not insignificant. In the four months that Assassination Market has been online, six targets have been submitted by users, and bounties have been collected ranging from ten bitcoins for the murder of NSA director Keith Alexander and 40 bitcoins for the assassination of President Barack Obama to 124.14 bitcoins--the largest current bounty on the site--targeting Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve and public enemy number one for many of Bitcoin's anti-banking-system users. At Bitcoin's current rapidly rising exchanges rate, that's nearly $75,000 for Bernanke's would-be killer. Sanjuro's grisly ambitions go beyond raising the funds to bankroll a few political killings. He believes that if Assassination Market can persist and gain enough users, it will eventually enable the assassinations of enough politicians that no one would dare to hold office. He says he intends Assassination Market to destroy "all governments, everywhere." "I believe it will change the world for the better," writes Sanjuro, who shares his handle with the nameless samurai protagonist in the Akira Kurosawa film "Yojimbo." (He tells me he chose it in homage to the creator of the online black market Silk Road, who called himself the Dread Pirate Roberts, as well Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto.) "Thanks to this system, a world without wars, dragnet panopticon-style surveillance, nuclear weapons, armies, repression, money manipulation, and limits to trade is firmly within our grasp for but a few bitcoins per person. I also believe that as soon as a few politicians gets offed and they realize they've lost the war on privacy, the killings can stop and we can transition to a phase of peace, privacy and laissez-faire." I contacted the Secret Service and the FBI to ask if they're investigating Assassination Market, and both declined to comment. Like other so-called "dark web" sites, Assassination Market runs on the anonymity network Tor, which is designed to prevent anyone from identifying the site's users or Sanjuro himself. Sanjuro's decision to accept only Bitcoins is also intended to protect users, Sanjuro, and any potential assassins from being identified through their financial transactions. Bitcoins, after all, can be sent and received without necessarily tying them to any real-world identity. In the site's instructions to users, Sanjuro suggests they run their funds through a "laundry" service to make sure the coins are anonymized before contributing them to anyone's murder fund. As for technically proving that an assassin is responsible for a target's death, Assassination Market asks its killers to create a text file with the date of the death ahead of time, and to use a cryptographic function known as a hash to convert it to a unique string of characters. Before the murder, the killer then embeds that data in a donation of one bitcoin or more to the victim's bounty. When a target is successfully murdered, he or she can send Sanjuro the text file, which Sanjuro hashes to check that the results match the data sent before the target's death. If the text file is legitimate and successfully predicted the date of the killing, the sender must have been responsible for the murder, according to Sanjuro's logic. Sanjuro says he'll keep one percent of the payout himself as a commission for his services. Just reading about that coldly calculative system of lethal violence likely inspires queasy feelings or outrage. But Sanjuro says that the public's abhorrence won't prevent the system from working. And as a matter of ethics, he notes that he'll accept only user-suggested targets "who have initiated force against other humans. More specifically, only people who are outside the reach of the law because it has been subverted and corrupted, and whose victims have no other way to take revenge than to do so anonymously." Even setting aside the immorality of killing, doesn't the notion of enabling small minorities of angry Bitcoin donors to assassinate elected officials sound like an attempt to cripple democracy? "Of course, limiting democracy is why we even have a constitution," Sanjuro responds. "Majority support does not make a leader legitimate any more than it made slavery legitimate. With this market the great equalising forces of capitalism have the opportunity to work in politics too. One bitcoin paid is one vote closer to a veto of whatever legislation you dislike." Sanjuro didn't actually invent the concept of an anonymous crowdfunded assassination market. The idea dates back to the cypherpunk movement of the mid-1990s, whose adherents dreamt of using encryption tools to weaken the government and empower individuals. Former Intel INTC -0.03% engineer and Cypherpunk Mailing List founder Tim May argued that uncrackable secret messages and untraceable digital currency would lead to assassination markets in his "Cryptoanarchist's Manifesto" written in 1992. A few years later, another former Intel engineer named Jim Bell proposed a system of funding assassinations through encrypted, anonymous donations in an essay he called "Assassination Politics." The system he described closely matches Sanjuro's scheme, though anonymity tools like Tor and Bitcoin were mostly theoretical at the time. As Bell wrote then: If only 0.1% of the population, or one person in a thousand, was willing to pay $1 to see some government slimeball dead, that would be, in effect, a $250,000 bounty on his head. Further, imagine that anyone considering collecting that bounty could do so with the mathematical certainty that he could not be identified, and could collect the reward without meeting, or even talking to, anybody who could later identify him. Perfect anonymity, perfect secrecy, and perfect security. And that, combined with the ease and security with which these contributions could be collected, would make being an abusive government employee an extremely risky proposition. Chances are good that nobody above the level of county commissioner would even risk staying in office. Bell would later serve years in prison for tax evasion and stalking a federal agent, and was only released in March of 2012. When I contacted him by email, he denied any involvement in Sanjuro's Assassination Market and declined to comment on it. Sanjuro tells me he's long been aware of Bell's idea. But he only decided to enact it after the past summer's revelations of mass surveillance by the NSA exposed in a series of leaks by agency contractor Edward Snowden. "Being forced to alter my every happy memory during internet activity, every intimate moment over the phone with my loved ones, to also include some of the people I hate the most listening in, analysing the conversation, was the inspiration I needed to embark on this task," he writes. "After about a week of muttering 'they must all die' under my breath every time I opened a newspaper or turned on the television, I decided something had to be done. This is my contribution to the cause." Assassination Market isn't the first online service to suggest funding murder with bitcoins. Other Tor-hidden websites with names like Quick Kill, Contract Killer and C'thulhu have all claimed to offer murders in exchange for bitcoin payments. But none of them responded to my attempts to contact their administrators, and all required advanced payments for their services, so they may be scams. And how do Assassination Market's users know that it's not a similar fraud scheme designed to steal users' bitcoins? "You don't," Sanjuro admits. But he argues that if it were a scam, it would be a very complex and risky one, given that even threatening to harm the president of the United States is a felony. [pic] Kuwabatake Sanjuro, the ronin samurai in the film "Yojimbo" whose pseudonym the Assassination Market's founder has adopted. Other than that, "I can but appeal personally," Sanjuro writes. "I live a comfortable, albeit somewhat spartan life, and the only thing that really pains me is the increasing attacks on the liberties I enjoy in my daily life, mainly my personal privacy. I cannot buy that with money, so I have no need of it. There is nothing I want more than to see this project succeed, and for that I need dead politicians." If the system does prove to work, the launch of Assassination Market may be ill-timed for Sanjuro, given law enforcement's recent crackdown on the dark web. In August, the FBI used an exploit in Tor to take down the web hosting firm Freedom Hosting and arrest its founder Eric Eoin Marques, who is accused of offering his services to child pornography sites. And just last month, the FBI also seized the popular Bitcoin- and Tor-based black market for drugs known as Silk Road and arrested its alleged creator, Ross Ulbricht. Sanjuro counters that in addition to Tor, Bitcoin, and the usual encryption tools, he has "measures in place to prevent the effectiveness of such an arrest. Naturally these will have to be kept secret." He adds that, like an earlier generation of cypherpunks, he puts his faith in the mathematical promise of cryptography to trump the government's power to stop him. "With cryptography, the state, or any protection firm, is largely obsolete...all activity that can be reduced to information transfer will be completely out of the government's, or anyone's, hands, other than the parties involved," he says. "I am a crypto-anarchist," Sanjuro concludes. "We have a bright future ahead of us." – Follow me on Twitter, email me, anonymously send me sensitive documents or tips, and check out the new paperback edition of my book, This Machine Kills Secrets: Julian Assange, the Cypherpunks, and Their Fight to Empower Whistleblowers, a New York Times Book Review Editor’s Choice. The Forbes E-book On Bitcoin Secret Money: Living on Bitcoin in the Real World, by Forbes staff writer Kashmir Hill, can be bought in Bitcoin or legal tender.
On Monday, September 25, 2017, 9:17:12 PM PDT, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Because?
Because I said so.
Explains today's BTC rise... when Jim predictions, markets move ;)
That would be nice, wouldn't it? But I don't think so...yet. Jim Bell
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