Fascism, Nazism, Henry Ford's successful sueing of the USGov, money and power - Fwd: A short clip from 'Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick'
Someone emailed me this clip - it's about 20MiB, so I thought it might, just possibly, slight hunch you know, be considered excessive to include the attachment to cp... For those who didn't know, Ford sued the US govt after WWII for the US' bombing of his factories in Germany (which were producing tanks etc for Germany), and he won - with a quote, when questioned about such an audacious claim, Ford, from the witness box said something along the lines of "my dear fellow, some matters are above mere international rivalry". This extract however puts the position "WWII was the first time in history that the wealthy elite could purchase the thuggery of an entire nation". Worth a look see. Z ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gil May <gilmay97@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:57:33 +1000 Subject: Fwd: A short clip from 'Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick' To: r43026@yahoo.com.au A short clip from 'Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick' https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1666350230283584/
Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> writes:
"WWII was the first time in history that the wealthy elite could purchase the thuggery of an entire nation".
That was happening at least as far back as ancient Rome. Peter.
On May 21, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
That was happening at least as far back as ancient Rome.
It is the definition of force-mononoply. As old as sedentarism, which is about five thousand years older than agriculture. Cheers, RAH
Dear Age Sages Robert and Peter. Got proof? An Ancient At 08:18 AM 5/21/2016, you wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
That was happening at least as far back as ancient Rome.
It is the definition of force-mononoply. As old as sedentarism, which is about five thousand years older than agriculture.
Cheers, RAH
An age sage - love it :) <beating my conspiracy drum:> assuage confronting material, bypass meaningful discourse, two birds one cup I guess 'knowing all things' does remove the need to wasting time ascertaining 'there are no new insights here, I know it all already'. Such omniscience is ever so convenient, prescient even (considering one knows the content of all presentments prior to reading or viewing) that I wonder why we bother saying anything at all really - at least the time poor are now reassured 'there's nothing new here, move along...' </acerbic and disillusioned knife> On 5/21/16, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Dear Age Sages Robert and Peter.
Got proof?
An Ancient
At 08:18 AM 5/21/2016, you wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
That was happening at least as far back as ancient Rome.
It is the definition of force-mononoply. As old as sedentarism, which is about five thousand years older than agriculture.
Cheers, RAH
This > 'sedentarism' never declined. It adapted and has a modern form. Cubie worker. Rr On 05/21/2016 06:14 AM, John Young wrote:
Dear Age Sages Robert and Peter.
Got proof?
An Ancient
At 08:18 AM 5/21/2016, you wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 3:13 AM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
That was happening at least as far back as ancient Rome.
It is the definition of force-mononoply. As old as sedentarism, which is about five thousand years older than agriculture.
Cheers, RAH
On May 21, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Rayzer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
sedentarism
Spelling’s a bitch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedentism
On Sat, 21 May 2016 17:13:25 -0400 Robert Hettinga <hettinga@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Rayzer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
sedentarism
Spelling’s a bitch:
Ha! "sedentism" translates to "sedentarismo" in spanish, so I assumed "sedentarism" was an actual english word...bur apparentely it isn't. Funny that Rayzer used it...
On 05/21/2016 02:13 PM, Robert Hettinga wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 10:53 AM, Rayzer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
sedentarism Spelling’s a bitch:
Spelling Nazi... It's quoted.
It is the definition of force-mononoply. As old as sedentarism, which is about five thousand years older than agriculture.
Cheers, RAH
On May 21, 2016, at 9:14 AM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Got proof?
Depends on if you’re a Marxist and think that money steals power, or an anarchist and thinks that power steals money. The latter grabs the market-elephant blindly, the former sucks giant donkey dicks in the Tijuana Donkey show of force, fraud, and plunder. As an example of what Peter might have been alluding to, Pompey and Julius were rich Roman guys who got richer in the conquering trade, Pompey going east after pirates and then eastern kings, and Julius going after, well, Gaul, actually. And then, you know, Rome, after that. But, like I said, it’s older than that. Since people started staying in one place in middle Anatolia about 12-18,000 years ago, about five thousand years before they actually started cultivating the wheat they were harvesting every year and moving out from there down the Tigris and Euphrates and Nile and out into Fair Europa, all farmers -- and then mechanics -- since have been subject to the depredations of former hunter-gatherers who plundered them for their “surplus” assets. And priestly former scavengers who told them lies of pie in the sky when they die to justify the actions of the guys who, you know, beat the fuck out of you if you didn’t pay up. Because, like dogs, and hyenas, they could. Now the priests are academics, the media, and legislative politicians. The Hunter/gatherers are either professional military (mostly harmless…) or plundering proto-warlord aristocrats like, come to think of it, all four current extant presidential hopefuls, and the current occupant of Adams’ Edifice. There. How’s that? Cheers, RAH
Nice polemic. With deep respect for both titans of history, economics and metaphysics, lipsmacked with earnest opinion, I beg m'lords, for tiny eye-time, a screenshot of a tangible, physical shard of evidence to substantiate learned alleged long ago imaginary happenings. Say, a gnawed ankle, a dirt-packed bowel, a petrified turd, a skull showing insertion of tiger-tooth fact and sucked dry of bloody ideological superiority. This is stanky cypherpunks, not a Mar a Lago butler SM account. At 05:37 PM 5/21/2016, Robert Hettinga wrote:
On May 21, 2016, at 9:14 AM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Got proof?
Depends on if youâre a Marxist and think that money steals power, or an anarchist and thinks that power steals money. The latter grabs the market-elephant blindly, the former sucks giant donkey dicks in the Tijuana Donkey show of force, fraud, and plunder.
As an example of what Peter might have been alluding to, Pompey and Julius were rich Roman guys who got richer in the conquering trade, Pompey going east after pirates and then eastern kings, and Julius going after, well, Gaul, actually. And then, you know, Rome, after that.
But, like I said, itâs older than that. Since people started staying in one place in middle Anatolia about 12-18,000 years ago, about five thousand years before they actually started cultivating the wheat they were harvesting every year and moving out from there down the Tigris and Euphrates and Nile and out into Fair Europa, all farmers -- and then mechanics -- since have been subject to the depredations of former hunter-gatherers who plundered them for their âsurplusâ assets. And priestly former scavengers who told them lies of pie in the sky when they die to justify the actions of the guys who, you know, beat the fuck out of you if you didnât pay up.
Because, like dogs, and hyenas, they could.
Now the priests are academics, the media, and legislative politicians. The Hunter/gatherers are either professional military (mostly harmless ) or plundering proto-warlord aristocrats like, come to think of it, all four current extant presidential hopefuls, and the current occupant of Adamsâ Edifice.
There. Howâs that?
Cheers, RAH
On May 21, 2016, at 6:02 PM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
This is stanky cypherpunks, not a Mar a Lago butler SM account.
Ah. Pics or it didn’t happen. Kewl. Google is my friend. Wikipedia, too... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedentism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavenger#As_a_human_behavior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence Knock yourself out, John. Pack your lunch. Cheers, RAH
On 5/21/16, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
I beg m'lords, for tiny eye-time, a screenshot of a tangible, physical shard of evidence to substantiate learned alleged long ago imaginary happenings.
As can be seen here, this... http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html is perfectly capable of supporting this... https://www.facebook.com/EvolvePolitics/videos/1666350230283584/ wherein lie quoted names in lawsuit, etc. It would also be highly appreciated if age sage Gutmann would [STOP] gratuitously modifying public subject lines with his own private label. It fucks up threading.
Robert Hettinga <hettinga@gmail.com> writes:
As an example of what Peter might have been alluding to, Pompey and Julius were rich Roman guys who got richer in the conquering trade, Pompey going east after pirates and then eastern kings, and Julius going after, well, Gaul, actually. And then, you know, Rome, after that.
I was thinking more the end of the empire, when practically everything was for sale, incuding the throne itself (Didius Julianus bought it from the Praetorians). You had to be careful though, Galba was put in power by the Praetorians, wouldn't pay them for lack of money (there was a formal name and process for this, the donativum), and was removed again by them not long afterwards. Perhaps a bit like a president failing to favour their biggest campaign contributors and losing the next election. Peter.
Hey IBM sued and won in court the right to reposess the IBM tabulating machines from the Death Camps.. ie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust On 5/20/16 11:32 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Someone emailed me this clip - it's about 20MiB, so I thought it might, just possibly, slight hunch you know, be considered excessive to include the attachment to cp...
For those who didn't know, Ford sued the US govt after WWII for the US' bombing of his factories in Germany (which were producing tanks etc for Germany), and he won - with a quote, when questioned about such an audacious claim, Ford, from the witness box said something along the lines of "my dear fellow, some matters are above mere international rivalry".
This extract however puts the position "WWII was the first time in history that the wealthy elite could purchase the thuggery of an entire nation".
Worth a look see. Z
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A short clip from 'Everything Is A Rich Man's Trick'
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