J_Y is red hot! This motherfucker can write, hell I can't stop reading tis... like a dog smelling his own piss. Anyways; couldn't you of, summed up the lovely line items/goddamn Bar? Cheer's _Mg On Aug 25, 2013, at 06:00 PM, John Young wrote:

A swell beginning, for email to be merely one way to communicate, supplemented with unlimited other ways which do not require email, or for that matter, the Internet or any digital means.

Presume that digital means are the easiest to fuck with, sorry, subvert, corrupt, pack with junk, surveil, harvest, store, search, forge, track, make your own list on your digital device and expect it to be violated accordingly and used against you whether you know or not, usually not. Here especially.

Now the other means, non-digital, ancient and amply used and understood among those who use them although susceptible to the digital vulnerabilites if considerable more difficult:

Paper Music Sound Dance Architecture Plastic arts Graphic arts Poetry Drum Glossalia Jokes Holler Gypsy Mime Chant Curse Vulgarity Sex Sin

And much more everybody uses with greater facility than digital emissions.

Note that conventional lanugages are not on the list because of the heavy reliance upon them to communicate and thus most heavily scutinized and attacked, usually successfully.

Language is like metadata, with only its mastery the content can be followed from end to end, then the ends burgled, beat, cut, shot, persuaded to talk in plain language.

Steagonagraphy is not on the list unless it is non-digital, and if not, then hiding communication has great potential. Its weakness is finding a means, non-digital, for preparation and transceiving.

For example, architecture is an ancient means of communication, among its funders, designers, builders, maintainers, destructors, restorers, investors, evaluators, burgler, surveyors, surveillors, protectors, attackers, underminers, repairers, materials suppliers, excavators, and a host of participants -- the list of guilds and unions and professionals is vast -- perhaps one of the largest cohorts of quasi-private aggregations on earth lagging only farmers if taken to mean any form of human construction. I flatter myself, so do yourself likewise.

Similarly, just about any specialty of human intercourse has its quasi-private, esoteric, unique means of communication. The human body specialists -- scientific, shamanistic, soulseeking -- along with its pschobabbling corollary, generates a fantastic array of marketable, if not wholly, believable garble and gibberish. Politics and law the most vivid at laying on the self-serving shit about the necessity of government and the rule of law(yers).

Now back to the simple task of communicating in private. Before that, a side note, the end is near:

First do not expect anyone to believe anything using the word "security." So comsec is dead due to abuse. Maybe compriv is better, understanding that privacy has become a crock of shit too.

"Shit bag" (thanks to Assange) Natsec needs to go as well because it has been abused the most of all since assuming the parmount importance of a secular religion prevailing over all belief-systems with deadly weaponry, heartlessness, amorality, criminality and unaccountability, motto: fuck with it and you will die. Much evidence of motto in deed. And much evidence it will be used against its insiders.

This is relevant to private communication. Natsec really hates being cut out of any kind of communication. It will use virtually unlimited means to get inside, most of them kept secret and manifestly violent if needs be.

So compriv should not be promoted as capable to exclude natsec's prying, stealing, owning, using to demolish with its opponents. OTR is futile, BTW, as comsec.

Wind compriv down to comchat. Then wind comchat down to comgossip, to comwhine, comjoke, comlie, comlurk, comslur, com-social engineer. You get the point. Do nothing life-threatening or natsec defying by com-whatever. Communications is owned by those who provide its means and they are owned by extremely badass natsec ritualists willing to barbecue your beloveds to share the goodness carefully prescribed in their secret manuals of unlimited warfare.

In conclusion, there you have it, com-bat, the most reliable means of communication. Anything less is com-ical.