On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Givon Zirkind wrote:

imho, the crypto involved is not the issue. not having boots on the ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is the real issue.

Exactly. Governments have had at least 15 years to strap those boots, and certainly have some good ones. These days it's probably just as interesting as USA vs. USSR in that regard... plots, schemes, double and triple agents... the spy game. It's interesting what other perhaps complementary and/or parallel forms of intel and boots have sprung up. Though best examples are surely not seen, wrapped in closeness to government agencies or other allegiences, and these links cover only one small theatre among the list of things any agents, actors and mafioso have always had an interest in... yet one can begin to get the idea... just how deep does this sort of online game go... https://twitter.com/TorReaper/status/661266213000073218 http://www.ghostsec.org/ http://pastebin.com/search?q=isdratetp4donyfy https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-November/010940.html

there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to gain entry. there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being given to syrian refugees. these people operate in unconnected cells. how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings. esp. since they know enough to have to maintain radio silence.

Like volunteering for missionary, cash and a blessing at sendoff is still a very hard problem to crack. Unless you become confidant of both Padre and Church itself, or simply become them... Regardless, if any of this affects your area you should definitely have your talking points and counter solutions lined up, because the exposure and fields of play are growing and it's not going away. Welcome to the connected world.