Kyle Rittenhouse trial: Jury can review videos, but question from jury raises debate about drone video evidence
https://news.yahoo.com/kyle-rittenhouse-jury-return-second-135325648.html A request from jurors in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial sparked debate in the courtroom over a drone video already played during testimony. ----------------Jim Bell's comment: Cypherpunks should advocate that whenever such evidence is collected, it must be published immediately (hours?) albeit perhaps encrypted and concealed as to exact location. Say, the first day, the public notation will show a circle inside of which the data was taken would be 2000 miles in diameter, the second day 1000 miles diameter, more precise each day. Like Craigslist does when locating a seller. Eventually, a few weeks later, the location will be identified to within 2 meters. So, those collecting that evidence won't have an option to 'lose' or 'omit' or alter that evidence. Everyone who wants a copy can have it, although initially encrypted. The cops/FBI won't be able to tamper with this evidence after its immediate publication, without such fraud being detected later on when the full encryption keys must be revealed to the publicly. Don't bother arguing that 'cops' shouldn't be able to collect such evidence. Outdoors, on public property, is generally considered free for anyone to record, including ordinary citizens. I contend that the real danger is that law enforcement will be able to express bias by selectively disclosing (or concealing) such evidence, including manipulating it later to conceal or misrepresent 'facts'.
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:01:46 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't bother arguing that 'cops' shouldn't be able to collect such evidence. Outdoors, on public property, is generally considered free for anyone to record, including ordinary citizens.
Jim Bell, Always Wrong.
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 14:49:34 -0800
Don't bother arguing that 'cops' shouldn't be able to collect such evidence. Outdoors, on public property, is generally considered free for anyone to record, including ordinary citizens.
Jim Bell, Always Wrong.
Nothing prevents the public from demanding that legislatures write laws prohibiting 'cops' from using specific surveillance methods. I was not arguing that issue.
All your premises are wrong. "cops" "ordinary citizens" "public property" "fascist surveillance OK"
But generally, 'police' are able to do anything an ordinary citizen can do.
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As long as that remains true, I think we should try to keep them as honest and unbiased as we can. 'Police's ability to selectively conceal evidence should be curtailed.
police should be exterminated. Apart from that, see above.
On 11/17/21, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't bother arguing that 'cops' shouldn't be able to collect such evidence. Outdoors, on public property, is generally considered free for anyone to record, including ordinary citizens.
Jim Bell, Always Wrong.
This hypocrisy coming from the raging child who believes it's ok to transgress steal and destroy people's property, be an asshole and assault people, seek murder, etc. But then somehow claims it's not ok to take pictures. Then of course the problem of this highchair toddler denying the status fact of current pic practice by both law and people. And of asserting something is wrong, while utterly failing to back up those assertions with any evidence or discourse or links whatsoever to support his vacuous spittle. At least others here have given some reasons why people should not record other people in public. Grow up Juan, and stop abusing people.
ordinary citizens
That's the problem, they both subjugated themselves, and made up and gave rights and powers that they themselves do not have, to the State... and it all went downhill from there, every single time in history, past, present, and future.
it must be published immediately ... manipulating
Yes, ownerless global p2p encrypted notaries and and storage filesystems already exist. Good luck getting cops and their hardware to use it when you can't even get your con-gress politicians and stupid presidents and state-owned courts and prisons to wear and upload bodycams... yes, ex-parte, en-camera, no recording, no observers to their corrupt misdeeds... that's the status fact, and they'll never willingly give up that manipulation and corruption advantage. And that's ok, because people should just throw them all out and come up with other ways to live and do things together that don't need and naturally resist the creation and propping up such governments. If people put just 10% of the time they spent shilling govt, towards creating other ways and freedom, they would have the latter in one year.
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:24:34 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/21, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't bother arguing that 'cops' shouldn't be able to collect such evidence. Outdoors, on public property, is generally considered free for anyone to record, including ordinary citizens.
Jim Bell, Always Wrong.
This hypocrisy coming from the raging child who believes it's ok to transgress steal and destroy people's property,
oh look, the piece of trumpofascist shit and US cop of trumpofascist shit 'grarpamp' and US cop is lying! Shocking.
be an asshole and assault people, seek murder, etc.
oh look, the piece of trumpofascist shit and US cop 'grarpamp' is making shit up as he goes. I never said what you claim I said about 'people' - But I certainly say that things like the joogle jews and their lackeys like you 'grarpamp' have forfeited their personal rights. A very different thing. Now, let us look at the endless stream of 'grarpamps' vomits. The turd is constantly spamming trumpofascist propaganda while pretending to pose as an 'anarchist'. Yeah only a US cop can be THAT stupid. Why don't you tell US about your KKK philosophy 'grarpamp', how G'D defined the borders of your so called 'united states' cesspool, and how many mexicans you're murdering to defend 'your borders'. fucking scumbag
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:24:34 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Grow up Juan, and stop abusing people.
Oh and by the way, why don't you tell us your name you stupid piece shit? It must be something like Officer Jakobo Goldenberg-Trumpstein?
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