[WAR] Yugoslavia - Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (by the ICT)
USA destruction of countries - in recent times in our consciousness and the public discourse are the following: - Iraq'a WMDs (non existent) - Libya's "liberation" from its civil war - Syria's chemical weapons (supplied by the CIA it turns out) But the war to destroy Yugoslavia has only just ended with the International Criminal Tribunal's case against Slobodan Milošević finally ending. USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world. ** Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=b95ea945c9&e=5110f4b440) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Quintus Curtius on Wed, Aug 31, 2016 Those of us who had some involvement in Bosnian peacekeeping efforts many years ago might be astonished to learn that, after all the propaganda, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) finally exonerated Slobodan Milošević of wrongdoing in the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. This result is nothing less than shocking. The full text of the judgment can be found here. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=1a78de3ae3&e=5110f4b440)
or http://johnpilger.com/articles/provoking-nuclear-war-by-media On 01/09/2016 11:54, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
USA destruction of countries - in recent times in our consciousness and the public discourse are the following: - Iraq'a WMDs (non existent) - Libya's "liberation" from its civil war - Syria's chemical weapons (supplied by the CIA it turns out)
But the war to destroy Yugoslavia has only just ended with the International Criminal Tribunal's case against Slobodan Milošević finally ending.
USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world.
** Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=b95ea945c9&e=5110f4b440) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Quintus Curtius on Wed, Aug 31, 2016 Those of us who had some involvement in Bosnian peacekeeping efforts many years ago might be astonished to learn that, after all the propaganda, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) finally exonerated Slobodan Milošević of wrongdoing in the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. This result is nothing less than shocking. The full text of the judgment can be found here. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=1a78de3ae3&e=5110f4b440)
Feel free to point out mistakes, coverups, and confusion. Help us track down anyone who did bad things on purpose. It's even fine to try to shame those who thought they were doing the right thing but completely failed. But it is useless and counterproductive to think this way: "USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world." When the US makes blatant mistakes, or even if not a mistake but was involved in destroying part of a country, often there is a lot done to rebuild. But you can't expect that reliably or too far. At every point, nearly everyone could make a long list of those who have "an extremely large debt to the world": Germany & Japan, British Empire, Medieval Europe, Genghis Khan, Romans, Greeks, various Middle East hordes, etc. Every country that has had a civil war likely has at least two groups that hold a grudge at least a little: the US does, even long after everyone involved is long dead. The problem is that the people you are upset with are retired, senile, dead, etc. The current population won't take kindly to being accused too much for the present day opinions of decisions a generation or two ago. Or, in the US, even the last administration. You'll have to learn to be happy with positive progress or live with the consequences. This is what the US has to do with others all the time. If payment for slights and costs from the US perspective were extracted at US market rates, quite a portion of the world would be indentured in some way. In spite of what might be seen as mistakes, ignorant meddling, etc., by most measures and by enough people, the US has been a positive force. So there is a perception of plenty of offset overall. Sure you can argue that, and for some it hasn't been true. But there are some broad scale effects that are true positive factors. Any group that has a healthy culture and engages in peaceful commerce does really, really well: Japan, China, Europe, India, Singapore, South Korea, etc. It is likely that you can pretty much rank the economic and cultural success of countries by how friendly they are with the US and US allies. Those that want to keep trying to get revenge or combat whatever modernism force they don't like generally get squashed like a bug. No amount of bug bites is going to stop the US: That's only going to make the hive madder and occasionally more reckless. And eventually more effective and asymmetrical at quashing. If you truly think anything will affect US dominance, you are not very well aware of reality. You can argue whatever details you like, but it really boils down to this: The most effective culture wins. The US (and, largely, other modern Western democracies) is an engine for rapidly improving culture while preventing runaway disasters. If any culture worked better than the US (as some did in the past compared to the immature US), the US would effectively adopt their innovations or create better innovations to equal or supersede them. Because the US pretty much shares everything with everyone, all friendly societies win too. Stay outside of that group because you think you have a better approach, but you don't really, and you just fall behind. You might point to China as a holdout which is doing fine. But really, they are already very well on their way to converging. They're taking their own path, unevenly absorbing modernism, playing at military strength etc. But that's all show, style, and face. iPhones and Androids alone will keep everyone friendly. This is just my opinion from partial information: Russia is having a little bump, and may regress, but the path will be irresistible for them too. Their oligarchy phase (like the US robber baron and organized crime phases combined in the modern era) shows pretty much where they were on the evolutionary track in that era. The gap between Russia and the West is tiny compared to the West and ISIS/ISIL. That desire to strike back scratches an itch for a few grudge holders while making a much larger group unhappy or dead, and then breeding more grudge holders. Are you sure you want your life's purpose to be the propagation of that stupidity? sdw On 8/31/16 6:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
USA destruction of countries - in recent times in our consciousness and the public discourse are the following: - Iraq'a WMDs (non existent) - Libya's "liberation" from its civil war - Syria's chemical weapons (supplied by the CIA it turns out)
But the war to destroy Yugoslavia has only just ended with the International Criminal Tribunal's case against Slobodan Milošević finally ending.
USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world.
** Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=b95ea945c9&e=5110f4b440) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Quintus Curtius on Wed, Aug 31, 2016 Those of us who had some involvement in Bosnian peacekeeping efforts many years ago might be astonished to learn that, after all the propaganda, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) finally exonerated Slobodan Milošević of wrongdoing in the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. This result is nothing less than shocking. The full text of the judgment can be found here. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=1a78de3ae3&e=5110f4b440)
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 07:51:40PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: ...
No amount of bug bites is going to stop the US:
"so don't bother calling out this evil bully or standing up against this evil bully"
That's only going to make the hive madder and occasionally more reckless. And eventually more effective and asymmetrical at quashing.
"or this evil bully gonna fuck you over!"
If you truly think anything will affect US dominance, you are not very well aware of reality.
"one man canNOT make difference, if you think so you're a NUTCASE"
You can argue whatever details you like, but it really boils down to this: The most effective culture wins.
"we are powerful, fuck you!"
The US (and, largely, other modern Western democracies) is an engine for rapidly improving culture while preventing runaway disasters.
"we are not only powerful, we are exceptional, and everything we do collectively is an improvement in the world"
If any culture worked better than the US (as some did in the past compared to the immature US), the US would effectively adopt their innovations or create better innovations to equal or supersede them.
"think you got some shit? we will take it and be THE FUCKING BEST AT IT, so don't even think you've a vicious midget's chance against US"
Because the US pretty much shares everything with everyone,
"we are sharing, caring, loving hippies... y'all know that right?"
all friendly societies win too.
"everyone who submits to us, we may not fuck you over right away"
Stay outside of that group because you think you have a better approach, but you don't really, and you just fall behind.
"we are exceptional, everything we do is the best, you're all fucked so don't even try"
You might point to China as a holdout which is doing fine. But really, they are already very well on their way to converging. They're taking their own path, unevenly absorbing modernism, playing at military strength etc. But that's all show, style, and face.
"the next guy won't be any better, so don't even bother trying, you heathen plebe!"
iPhones and Androids alone will keep everyone friendly.
"I -see- the light! iPhones are you're --salvation--!" "keep consuming, idiot, and we might say you're ok; IF you're lucky!"
This is just my opinion from partial information: Russia is having a little bump, and may regress, but the path will be irresistible for them too.
"Russia is about to agree with everything I've said above"
Their oligarchy phase (like the US robber baron and organized crime phases combined in the modern era) shows pretty much where they were on the evolutionary track in that era.
"Russia and Russian's are just evolutionarily inferior, behind on the track that we exceptionalists are running along better than those schmucks"
The gap between Russia and the West is tiny compared to the West and ISIS/ISIL.
"there are many black and white gaps - everyone else is black, we are white and whitely demonstrating the superiority of all our choices; one day those brown folks might even figure out how superior we are and how superior our way is"
That desire to strike back scratches an itch for a few grudge holders while making a much larger group unhappy or dead, and then breeding more grudge holders.
"they're all fucked, inferior, and we make damn good abuse of their human nature here at the CIA, please don't tell anyone though"
Are you sure you want your life's purpose to be the propagation of that stupidity?
sdw
Well... That's some dialogue ya got there "Stephen D Williams"... how long will you maintain this burner address, hmm?
On 8/31/16 6:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
USA destruction of countries - in recent times in our consciousness and the public discourse are the following: - Iraq'a WMDs (non existent) - Libya's "liberation" from its civil war - Syria's chemical weapons (supplied by the CIA it turns out)
But the war to destroy Yugoslavia has only just ended with the International Criminal Tribunal's case against Slobodan Milošević finally ending.
USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world.
** Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=b95ea945c9&e=5110f4b440) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Quintus Curtius on Wed, Aug 31, 2016 Those of us who had some involvement in Bosnian peacekeeping efforts many years ago might be astonished to learn that, after all the propaganda, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) finally exonerated Slobodan Milošević of wrongdoing in the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. This result is nothing less than shocking. The full text of the judgment can be found here. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=1a78de3ae3&e=5110f4b440)
Having replied to the latter part of this email of yours, it's time to respond to the first part. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 07:51:40PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
Feel free to point out mistakes, coverups, and confusion.
- USA in continuous war since WW2, and nearly continuous war since forever - USA / CIA overthrowing "sovereign" nations, murdering their leaders (oh that's right, the coups/ overthrows are a result of their "inferior culture" - CIA and USA State Department causing the overthrow of Libya and the murder of its leader, Qaddhafi - CIA, USA and DOD/ MIC, droning humans to death, adults, children, day in, day out, around the world - with 90% of those deaths "collateral damage" (even by USA/CIA/MIC "estimates")! - USA military being fundamentally undermined for greed, and - innocent nations being endlessly and continuously targetted as "bogey men" to justify the greed, murder and destruction done by the USA MIC/DOD/CIA/etc (e.g. Russia, Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq) - e.g. dropping the by-far most advanced fighter plane program in the world, the F22, for the endless and unfixable boondoggle the F35, nothing but the largest (and multi-national) pork barelling exercise the world has ever seen - effectively slaying every last ounce of moral high ground that the USA was seen to have, the gloves and masks now fully off and evil public for all the world to see - destroying the world's most powerful empire, on the alter of greed - endless coverups of endless war, coups, overthrows, murders and regime changes since WW2 - the financial enslavement of much of the world with the debt and inflation exportation by the USA through its dollar, and the massive upheavals and destruction of wealth about to befall many (quite arguably a good thing, just not from the perspective of your own charter, so absolutely out of ethics on this front too) - endless double standards and hypocrisy, holding others to laws and so called "international law" that the USA defines/ states/ claims/ contracts to, and turning around to do whatever the fruck it likes and violating any and every charter, international "law", precedent etc. - e.g. the hypocrisy between NATO's destruction of Yugoslavia, and the USA's multi-year sanctions targetting Russia for running a referendum and cecession of Crimea. - the sacrifice of the education of the American people, allegedly "to make people nicer" by making them stupid - a once great people is no longer a great people - these are YOUR people!?! - the persistence in founding your society the USA in greed, and no higher principle - sure the media campaigns claim "democracy" and "freedom", but fundamentally the pride of "exceptionalism" and the consequent disdain for all others, and the foundation of greed, is the reason for the coming fall of your empire - China may also have a solid greed component in their foundation, yet they also have a "communist" or "my tribe"/ motherland ethic which pervades their people; greed + "my tribe", will ultimately trump "greed", since it is a slightly higher ethic - almost never does anyone be held to account for any of the above evils - and endless litany more..
Help us track down anyone who did bad things on purpose.
Yeah well disband you evil CIA to start with - murder, regime change, plunder of resources. The evil never stops, and starts right at home with your co-workers!
It's even fine to try to shame those who thought they were doing the right thing but completely failed.
Here's your (and the USA's) fundamental problem: "those who thought they were doing the right thing" act from immoral foundations. Such as: - The principle that the "good" ends justifies the evil means / tactics / actions. - The principle that America/ns is/are exceptional, fundamentally superior, and therefore the increasing of America's power and control in the world is in principle a "good" thing, and so regime change, coups, murder, "contracts" which are established with foreigners in their foreign "sovereign" lands in times of extreme stress, society breakdown and war (usually created by the USA/NATO) are written to massively benefit Americans and USA Corporations, to the detriment of the other parties to those contracts. Despite some lovely written statements by your 'founding fathers', America fundamentally does not uphold "the dignity of all men" in all other countries. America is a hypocrite to its own purported principles. It is these foundations of evil, and the failure to hold to foundations of righteousness, which shall bring the great calamity upon America - the chickens shall come home to roost. Whilst you were busy blowing up the third and second worlds, you left your flank unguarded and Australia, jewel in the crown, has been left to slip not insignificantly into hands which do not share my principles. You have sold yourselves out, and you have sold your allies out.
It's not the USA -- it's every adult who let people with no voice be ignored so that their party could continue indefinitely. There is a lot wrong with science these days and Judgement Day seems to happening. The media can't be trusted, but perhaps you're a bot and that's all you have, eh? \0x On 8/31/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
USA destruction of countries - in recent times in our consciousness and the public discourse are the following: - Iraq'a WMDs (non existent) - Libya's "liberation" from its civil war - Syria's chemical weapons (supplied by the CIA it turns out)
But the war to destroy Yugoslavia has only just ended with the International Criminal Tribunal's case against Slobodan Milošević finally ending.
USA, you have an extremely large debt to the world.
** Wrongly Accused: The Absolution of Slobodan Milošević (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=b95ea945c9&e=5110f4b440) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Quintus Curtius on Wed, Aug 31, 2016 Those of us who had some involvement in Bosnian peacekeeping efforts many years ago might be astonished to learn that, after all the propaganda, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) finally exonerated Slobodan Milošević of wrongdoing in the Bosnian War of the early 1990s. This result is nothing less than shocking. The full text of the judgment can be found here. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=1a78de3ae3&e=5110f4b440)
Why Slobodan Milošević Was Demonized By The West: Incredibly Accurate Predictions From 2001 http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-slobodan-milosevic-was-demonized-w... (Alt: https://qcurtius.com/2016/08/17/why-slobodan-milosevic-was-demonized-by-the-... ) " The question to be asked is: why was he demonized in the first place? Whose interest or interests did it serve? Were there larger programs and plans at work? " Quick link to the 2001 article which made the predictions: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/whyisn.htm
War and peace, Western style. Tribal unity must not be allowed. http://russia-insider.com/en/bosnian-serbs-are-heading-referendum-has-west-s...
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 07:44:25AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
War and peace, Western style. Tribal unity must not be allowed.
http://russia-insider.com/en/bosnian-serbs-are-heading-referendum-has-west-s...
And again, second chamber trial concludes: http://russia-insider.com/en/natos-hague-inquisition-exonerates-slobodan-mil...
On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 02:49:00PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 07:44:25AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
War and peace, Western style. Tribal unity must not be allowed.
http://russia-insider.com/en/bosnian-serbs-are-heading-referendum-has-west-s...
And again, second chamber trial concludes: http://russia-insider.com/en/natos-hague-inquisition-exonerates-slobodan-mil...
And a documentary to wrap it all up - multi subtitles - banned in Czech: http://thesaker.is/serbia-stolen-kosovo-multisubs-banned-czech-documentary/ 'tube direct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzf8Rke3p4
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 04:43:08PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
War and peace, Western style. Tribal unity must not be allowed.
http://russia-insider.com/en/bosnian-serbs-are-heading-referendum-has-west-s...
And again, second chamber trial concludes: http://russia-insider.com/en/natos-hague-inquisition-exonerates-slobodan-mil...
And a documentary to wrap it all up - multi subtitles - banned in Czech: http://thesaker.is/serbia-stolen-kosovo-multisubs-banned-czech-documentary/
'tube direct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzf8Rke3p4
EU/NATO continues its blatant lies in the face of the facts, as though the Internet doesn't even exist and folks have no access to the truth: Stoltenberg Tells Serbs Why NATO Bombed Them in 1999 https://sputniknews.com/europe/201810081068698913-stoltenberg-explains-yugos... "We are aware in NATO that many people in Serbia still have bad memories about the bombing, the airstrikes in 1999," Stoltenberg said, speaking to Serbia's RTS television channel. "I stress that we did this to protect civilians and stop the Milosevic regime," he added. … 78 Days, 1,300 Cruise missiles, 37,000 Cluster Bombs Funny as, if the facts of NATO's actions weren't so gut wrenchingly evil.
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