DECRYPT - becoming human
Passion of youth no panacea - that was fine in the sixties for a while but this is now - that was then. Polling quickly reveals ' chosen peoples' with feet-of-clay. Blacks, women and yes, the youth, all carry significant reactionary demographics. Just like the general population. There is not even any hope for traditional anarchism since its descent into neo-Marxism and philosophical masturbating. But I remain optimistic. Time and time again the anarchist way of organizing proves itself superior. Its impossible any intelligent AI will ever miss this and act accordingly. So this is why I keep 'retreating forward' and calling on reinforcements from the future. The *Cypherpunk 2027* is another exercise in that. Six years at full warp and we could bring the singularity forward, institute global cryptoanarchy and anticipate intelligent machines passing any test. Tomorrow belongs to us.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:01:52PM +0000, professor rat wrote:
Passion of youth no panacea - that was fine in the sixties for a while but this is now - that was then. Polling quickly reveals ' chosen peoples' with feet-of-clay. Blacks, women and yes, the youth, all carry significant reactionary demographics. Just like the general population.
There is not even any hope for traditional anarchism since its descent into neo-Marxism and philosophical masturbating. But I remain optimistic. Time and time again the anarchist way of organizing proves itself superior.
Philosophically superior perhaps. Occupy was supposedly anarchist in action, and rapidly became co-opted as a counter counter op, the throng of youthful "individuals" each competing to go their own way, ultimately bringing disunity and an overwhelming sense of hopelessness. Anarchism in action, to be successful, apparently requires folks more educated rather than schooled - a "higher general state of awareness" if you will.
Its impossible any intelligent AI will ever miss this and act accordingly.
Humans in many ways appear quite deficient.
So this is why I keep 'retreating forward' and calling on reinforcements from the future.
The *Cypherpunk 2027* is another exercise in that. Six years at full warp and we could bring the singularity forward, institute global cryptoanarchy and anticipate intelligent machines passing any test.
Tomorrow belongs to us.
And you are confident these AI crypto machines will wipe us out, or at least properly ("fairly") enslave us, and be better than present $TIME reality... At least you're a visionary, if hopelessly utopic.
On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 10:59:21 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
And you are confident these AI crypto machines will wipe us out, or at least properly ("fairly") enslave us, and be better than present $TIME reality...
oh come on. The artificial 'intelligence' meme that professor turd just spammed is something he got from his military 'intelligence'/cointelpro manual. In the real world there is no such thing as artifical 'intelligence'. It's one of the most idiotic technofascist memes ever. It's also a variation of secular insanity. Nutcases who replace their 'faith' in 'god' with 'faith' in a 'super intelligent' machine. Last but not least the claim that this imaginary 'AI' would be 'anarchist' because it's 'intelligent' is just circular idiocy. Morality is not determined by 'intelligence'. 'AI' is a codeword for automated totalitarianism. You know, 'automation', the 'holy grail' of technofascists.
At least you're a visionary, if hopelessly utopic.
he's a government agent posting garbage he reads from a manual. And there's no reason to go along with his game.
But I remain optimistic. Time and time again the anarchist way of organizing proves itself superior.
This will remain true until we have a space we can call our own. Every government should reserve 1-10% of their land and budget for "anarchic" experiments where the people. not the government. can make new communities that perhaps are even exempt from law -- if they can keep it on their own turf. There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some portion of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.
The *Cypherpunk 2027* is another exercise in that. Six years at full warp and we could bring the singularity forward, institute global cryptoanarchy and anticipate intelligent machines passing any test. Tomorrow belongs to us.
Yeah, it is actually ready. I don't know how anyone else knows this, but consider these rules for androids: To balance the power of the androids and Man. Any android, free roaming; 1. must have an (manufacturer and model) identification printed visibly on its unit and/or queryable by voice. 2. remains the property of its owner until 1) it breaks a law, 2) becomes inoperative without the custody of the owner. 3. In the event of the former it must be remanded to the Police (where laws can determine what fine or otherwise towards the owner or manufacturer), or if the latter, the droid can be taken custody by any Person. 4. If the robot does not have #1, it may be taken by any Person, along with any risks that may entail. 4. If a person takes custody from #2, they may query about its present Owner and negotiate a reward, or become the *new* owner of the (potentially expensive) droid and be subject to the same limits as above. 5. Anyone who deliberately injures a droid to take custody shall be guilty of regular property damage or theft. Anything missing? Marxos Marxos
Darn, For #4, I meant that the droid must be reprogrammable to admit a new Owner in its own settings, whereby the droid is required to follow instructions of its Owner until the other conditions change this. It may or may not be wise to program them with the laws of robotics, if Man's laws and these are in effect. After all, someone bought the droid, it shouldn't necessarily spend it's time/energy or risk it's hardware for someone else's life. Marxos On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 6:54 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:
But I remain optimistic. Time and time again the anarchist way of organizing proves itself superior.
This will remain true until we have a space we can call our own. Every government should reserve 1-10% of their land and budget for "anarchic" experiments where the people. not the government. can make new communities that perhaps are even exempt from law -- if they can keep it on their own turf.
There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some portion of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.
The *Cypherpunk 2027* is another exercise in that. Six years at full warp and we could bring the singularity forward, institute global cryptoanarchy and anticipate intelligent machines passing any test. Tomorrow belongs to us.
Yeah, it is actually ready. I don't know how anyone else knows this, but consider these rules for androids:
To balance the power of the androids and Man. Any android, free roaming; 1. must have an (manufacturer and model) identification printed visibly on its unit and/or queryable by voice. 2. remains the property of its owner until 1) it breaks a law, 2) becomes inoperative without the custody of the owner. 3. In the event of the former it must be remanded to the Police (where laws can determine what fine or otherwise towards the owner or manufacturer), or if the latter, the droid can be taken custody by any Person. 4. If the robot does not have #1, it may be taken by any Person, along with any risks that may entail. 4. If a person takes custody from #2, they may query about its present Owner and negotiate a reward, or become the *new* owner of the (potentially expensive) droid and be subject to the same limits as above. 5. Anyone who deliberately injures a droid to take custody shall be guilty of regular property damage or theft.
Anything missing?
Marxos
Marxos
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:54:29PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
But I remain optimistic. Time and time again the anarchist way of organizing proves itself superior.
This will remain true until we have a space we can call our own. Every government should reserve 1-10% of their land and budget for "anarchic" experiments where the people. not the government. can make new communities that perhaps are even exempt from law -- if they can keep it on their own turf.
There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some portion of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.
Quite an interesting concept. Here and there, many utopian community attempts have been gifted land by a wealthy or land-holding benefactor, and such experiment in community begins again. They have (almost?) always failed - and from internal reasons, not "external govt clamp down", notwithstanding the Wacos...
There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some portion of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.
Quite an interesting concept.
Here and there, many utopian community attempts have been gifted land by a wealthy or land-holding benefactor, and such experiment in community begins again.
They have (almost?) always failed - and from internal reasons, not "external govt clamp down", notwithstanding the Wacos...
It's true, because none of them had as sophisticated set of principles and balance of power as the Constitution already. I've adapted, in fact, the Constitution to this end at appropedia.org, which hopefully you can find, if interested. Things like doubling the term if a person gets re-elected and reverting to the original term if they don't -- a self-organizing government that requires no oversight from above. marxos
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 08:45:59PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some portion of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.
Quite an interesting concept.
Here and there, many utopian community attempts have been gifted land by a wealthy or land-holding benefactor, and such experiment in community begins again.
They have (almost?) always failed - and from internal reasons, not "external govt clamp down", notwithstanding the Wacos...
It's true, because none of them had as sophisticated set of principles and balance of power as the Constitution already. I've adapted, in fact, the Constitution to this end at appropedia.org, which hopefully you can find, if interested. Things like doubling the term if a person gets re-elected and reverting to the original term if they don't
Interesting. The USA could get/give a reset to Trump (same as Putin), with a referendum, since Trump's first term was basically cock blocked the whole way. Trump's right to run for presidency could simply be "reset" with a referendum.
-- a self-organizing government that requires no oversight from above.
marxos
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\0xDynamite -
professor rat -
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Zenaan Harkness