"Liberal" EU (Spain): decades of jail for individuals who literally organised a referendum! - Democratic Liberalism in Action! - [PEACE]
Joyous news today, folks! Wonders never cease, and finally we see some REAL democracy in the EU's Spain, as Catalan leaders are finally dealt justice with harsh multi year jail sentences - the longest for 13 years. This might finally teach Liberal EU citizens that democracy is putting its foot down when it comes to citizens organizing their own referendums! Really, what were these plucky Catalonians even thinking? Running a referendum for independence in the face of a centuries long willful stand by the majority of Catalonians? Please, compliance -is- willfulness for all you funny rebels :) At least someone, Spain's Supreme Court in this case, had the balls to slap down these plucky "the people's' will first" campaigners. Democracy shall NOT be slighted. At least not the EU. LOL, so funny. The prison roll from the last couple days: Weep For Catalonia - Separatist Leaders Handed Vicious Prison Terms https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/weep-catalonia-separatist-leaders-han... https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/weep-for-catalonia-weep-for-... As The BBC reports, Spain's Supreme Court has sentenced nine Catalan separatist leaders to between nine and 13 years in prison for sedition over their role in an independence referendum in 2017. The prosecution had sought up to 25 years in prison for Oriol Junqueras, the former vice-president of Catalonia and the highest-ranking pro-independence leader on trial. Junqueras was handed the longest sentence of 13 years for sedition and misuse of public funds. Others to receive prison sentences for sedition were: - Dolors Bassa, former Catalan labour minister (12 years) - Jordi Turull, former Catalan government spokesman (12 years) - Raül Romeva, former Catalan external relations minister (12 years) - Carme Forcadell, ex-speaker of the Catalan parliament (11.5 years) - Joaquim Forn, former Catalan interior minister (10.5 years) - Josep Rull, former Catalan territorial minister (10.5 years) - Jordi Sànchez, activist and ex-president of the Catalan National Assembly (9 years) - Jordi Cuixart, president of Catalan language and culture organisation Òmnium Cultural (9 years) The nine leaders, who had already spent months in pre-trial detention, were acquitted of a more serious charge of rebellion. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49974289 That an attempt to organise a democratic vote for the Catalan people in pursuit of the right of self determination guaranteed in the UN Charter, can lead to such lengthy imprisonment, is a plain abuse of the most basic of human rights. I was forced to withdraw my lifelong personal support for the EU when, in response to the vicious crushing of the Catalan referendum by Francoist paramilitary forces, when the whole world saw grandmothers hit on the head and thrown down stairs as they attempted to vote, all the institutions of the EU – Council, Commission and Parliament – lined up one after the other to stress their strong support for the Madrid paramilitary action in maintaining “law and order”. Today we see the same thing. As the Catalans are imprisoned for efforts at democracy, the EU Commission stated that it “respects the position of the Spanish judiciary” and “this is, and remains, an internal matter for Spain, which has to be dealt with in line with its constitutional order.” The Commission here is simply ignoring what is very obviously a fundamental breach of basic human rights. This is far worse than anything Poland or Hungary have done in recent years, and the Commission is also showing a quite blatant hypocrisy in its relative treatment of its Western and Eastern members. ... A million people are expected to march on Saturday in support of the EU. That is the EU which has just expressed its active support for the jailing of Catalans for holding a vote. They join Julian Assange as political prisoners in the EU held for non-violent thought crime. OMG, grandmothers being hit on the head by police - so funny what humans think they can get away with - VOTING of all things? LOL! JUSTICE for democracy and the EU at last! Spread the word folks, the system strikes back and stability of democracy is put first in Spain! Just as well millions are marching against Brexit and FOR the glorious neo Roman Empire, the EU!
On 15/10/2019 07:50, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Joyous news today, folks!
Wonders never cease, and finally we see some REAL democracy in the EU's Spain, as Catalan leaders are finally dealt justice with harsh multi year jail sentences - the longest for 13 years.
Having many friends and relatives in Spain, including some in Catalonia, I gotta say that the majority of them are thinking along the lines of "hope this doesn't stir the idiots up, but the Court didn't have much choice and they deserved it" The rest of Spain, including Catalan non-rebels, was seriously pissed off at the Catalan rebels. Peter F
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 15:51:14 +0100 Peter Fairbrother <peter@tsto.co.uk> wrote:
Having many friends and relatives in Spain, including some in Catalonia, I gotta say that the majority of them are thinking along the lines of "hope this doesn't stir the idiots up, but the Court didn't have much choice and they deserved it"
The rest of Spain, including Catalan non-rebels, was seriously pissed off at the Catalan rebels.
haha thanks peter for adding yet another item to your file, showing what sort of fascist agent you are. and I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us about the workings of the Rule Of Law in your little shithole, England. What is YOUR GOVERNMENT doinmg to assange, peter. Tell us.
Peter F
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 03:51:14PM +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
On 15/10/2019 07:50, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Joyous news today, folks!
Wonders never cease, and finally we see some REAL democracy in the EU's Spain, as Catalan leaders are finally dealt justice with harsh multi year jail sentences - the longest for 13 years.
Having many friends and relatives in Spain, including some in Catalonia, I gotta say that the majority of them are thinking along the lines of "hope this doesn't stir the idiots up, but the Court didn't have much choice and they deserved it"
The rest of Spain, including Catalan non-rebels, was seriously pissed off at the Catalan rebels.
Peter F
Military Police Deployed As 500,000 Catalan Independence Protesters Shut Down Barcelona https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/military-police-deployed-500000-catal... Central Barcelona has reportedly been paralyzed as mass protests which international reports estimate to number over a half-million people are driven by outrage at harsh prison sentences for pro-independence leaders handed down by the top Spanish court. Protest leaders are vowing "the streets will be ours" as they push for Catalan independence, and as riot police have begun clashing with stone-throwing activists, who are also in some places of the city setting makeshift roadblocks ablaze. [LOL so funny - people thinking their will matters :D] With night fall, reporters on the ground are describing what's beginning to resemble a war zone, with increasing violence against police, as also both far-left and far-right agitators are said to be infiltrating the crowd and engaged in increasing violence and vandalism. The turmoil began Monday after Spain’s Supreme Court handed out extreme prison sentences to nine politicians who spearheaded the referendum on Catalonia’s independence in 2017. [img: Protesters blocked at least 20 major roadwars Friday] They were given a whopping 13 years behind bars for what amounts to pro-independence activism, but which Madrid sees as an "illegal" secession attempt which undermined the state. Though protests started out relatively minor by some student groups, a mass body of people began marching from various parts of Catalonia earlier in the week, and then began inundating Barcelona starting at about noon on Friday, resulting in absolute gridlock. In total about five separate marches converged at once on the city, also amid a general strike in solidarity with the jailed activists. Five #MarchesForFreedom, coming from every corner of Catalonia, have arrived today in Barcelona to protest against the unjust imprisonment of the Catalan leaders. Later in the day, a mass demonstration has taken place in the city center. Free them all #DemocracyInJail pic.twitter.com/6KAC1boXD1 — Òmnium International (@OmniumIntl) October 18, 2019 Keep in mind folks that the population of Catalonia is around 7.5 million, so these protests represent nearly 7% of the entire population of Catalonia! BTW, quickest way to justify state MIL POL intervention in protests? Make sure your paid extremists get in there and wreak violence and havoc.
Why are you posting this crap on an ostensibly Anarchist/Libertarian listserv? Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 11:07:38AM -0700, Razer wrote:
Why are you posting this crap on an ostensibly Anarchist/Libertarian listserv? Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
Yes, jailing folks who (attempt to) run 'self-determination independence referenda' is NOT something anarchists should pay any attention to - I really must have missed the memo. Hail the EU! We bow low to your wisdom, Rayzer. Yess massa! Yes massa!
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