----- Forwarded message from Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> ----- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:01:10 -0600 From: Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. Message-ID: <53C339E6.3060205@riseup.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Reply-To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org On 07/13/2014 06:57 PM, z9wahqvh wrote:

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark McCarron <mark.mccarron@live.co.uk> Date: Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users. To: "tor-talk@lists.torproject.org" <tor-talk@lists.torproject.org>

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Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into some unidentified military project for the last decade or more???

It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway.

do you have any links or additional info about this? beyond the vague sense of large black budgets, I'm not sure exactly what you might be referring to.

Well, the modern NSA _is_ a Manhattan-scale project. According to Wikipedia[1]: | The Manhattan Project began modestly in 1939, but grew to employ | more than 130,000 people and cost nearly US$2 billion (about $26 | billion in 2014 dollars). A Snowden leak reveals that NSA's budget has grown from about 7e+9 USD per year in 2004 to about 11e+9 USD per year in 2014[2]. The 2004-2014 total is about 91e+9 USD, well over three times the stated total for the Manhattan Project. But that doesn't count cleanup costs. For the Hanford site alone, Wikipedia reports[3]: | Citing the 2014 Hanford Lifecycle Scope Schedule and Cost report, | the 2014 estimated cost of the remaining Hanford clean up is $113.6 | billion - more than $3 billion per year for the next six years, | with a lower cost projection of approximately $2 billion per year | until 2046. So, even counting cleanup costs, they're comparable. Perhaps Mark can add some specifics that haven't come out yet. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project [2] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/29/your-cheat-sheet-... [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message -----