Re: [tor-talk] Reminder to stay on-topic
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:37:08PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote:
I've been fairly surprised that the response has been almost entirely positive. The 45-post thread on cypherpunks where Zenaan Harkness called me a "fake man" (classy) notwithstanding.
Taking out of context an "expressed suspicion" as a fact of name calling, won't do you any favours.
And is Zenaan banned? No. Is grarpamp or most of the other people who posted in support of Jacob Appelbaum banned? No. And is Jacob Appelbaum himself on the ban list? No. So please let us dispense with the idea that the handful of people banned from this list are being persecuted for their beliefs.
There are thousands of people on this mailing list who receive *every* message -- this is not a forum where off-topic posts can be deleted before being seen. And quite frankly, three weeks of unbridled posting seems like plenty to me.
"We gave you enough rope to hang yourself, and those who went slightly overboard by my personal definition (at least until next week or whenever I change the rules again) are now banned, without even a single individual warning/ request to keep on topic, being given to said individuals. Classy. List administration at its best there Boyce. Not. "Arbitrary justice", which you might like to inform yourself regarding, is where "the rules" are not known in advance, and no concession is made to those who break the rules, WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW THOSE RULES. Your choice to allow "three weeks of unbridled posting" created in many of our minds, a rule which we all thought we were following - ja.talk kept reposting media crap, we had a right to respond (or so we thought). Your executive choice to ban certain individuals who "broke" your rule (because they went three weeks and ONE EXTRA DAY (let's say)), when you NEVER STATED to us your rule about "three weeks is OK, but three weeks + one day and THEN you will be banned with no right to recourse nor even any right to request me personally to change my mind" is EXTREMELY arbitrary. You have told us by your actions as well as your words (besides a few other things about yourself) that you WILL exercise arbitrary power over real humans attempting to communicate their truth, their soul, their pain, their attempts to find resultion on at least one of the normally -most- challenging and difficult conversations we Westerners have to confront, rape. Aren't you a bloody hero now?!! Three claps for Boyce, dispensing justice and facilitating community. Clap, clap, clap.
Tor is a software project, not a telenovela. Please keep posts on-topic in the future.
"And those who broke my rule in the past, are now kill filed by me, and even if you genuinely want to join and participate and abide by my rules, well who gives a flying f*** about you, this is MY list, and I AM the administrator, and I SET THE RULES!" Three cheers for Boyce, bringing real empathy and humanity to the Tor project, making the world a better place, cleaning up unsavoury posters. "Boyce, doing the Right Thing (cause he said so)."
There are endless opportunities to express an opinion online, and everyone is free to seek them out.
Of course. As I too have said. And we are now clear on your choice to exercise your predatorial right to arbitrary exercise of power. Fascism in action. How very American (hat tip to Juan)... Zenaan
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 00:17:46 -0400 Griffin Boyce <griffin@cryptolab.net> wrote:
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
And we are now clear on your choice to exercise your predatorial right to arbitrary exercise of power. Fascism in action.
Get off the cross, we need the wood.
It's funny how the pentagon lapdogs get to censor people in 'their' list and also use this one to exercise 'free speech'. It's also funny who boyce denied working for the tor cunts multiple times, while doing their dirty work.
On Fri, 2016-06-24 at 13:28 -0300, someone wrote:
It's also funny who boyce denied working for the tor ****s multiple times, while doing their dirty work.
More like Mr. Boyce just wanted order restored to a mailing list he enjoyed reading, that had been made unusable by the volume of off-topic or garbage posts over most of a month. Any project like Tor relies on its fair share of volunteers to make stuff happen. That doesn't necessarily mean those volunteers are on the government payroll, if anything it would mean quite the opposite. It's also unnecessarily pejorative to call that "dirty work." I really think all the majority of the tor-users list readership wants, is an on-topic list. That's what Mr. Boyce gave them. Their list, their rules. If you don't like it, start your own list with whatever topic you want. With freedom of speech, comes freedom to decide what to ignore. To flood a mailing list with off-topic and garbage posts, intrudes upon the freedom of speech for the participants of that list who want to discuss the named topic. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com>
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:48:50 -0500 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On Fri, 2016-06-24 at 13:28 -0300, someone wrote:
It's also funny who boyce denied working for the tor ****s multiple times, while doing their dirty work.
More like Mr. Boyce just wanted order restored
What the fuck does a psycho like you do in this list?
to a mailing list he enjoyed reading, that had been made unusable by the volume of off-topic or garbage posts over most of a month.
Any project like Tor relies on its fair share of volunteers to make stuff happen. That doesn't necessarily mean those volunteers are on the government payroll, if anything it would mean quite the opposite. It's also unnecessarily pejorative to call that "dirty work." I really think all the majority of the tor-users list readership wants, is an on-topic list. That's what Mr. Boyce gave them. Their list, their rules. If you don't like it, start your own list with whatever topic you want.
With freedom of speech, comes freedom to decide what to ignore. To flood a mailing list with off-topic and garbage posts, intrudes upon the freedom of speech for the participants of that list who want to discuss the named topic.
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:48:50 -0500 worthless scumbag <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
Any project like Tor relies on its fair share of volunteers to make stuff happen.
So they work for 'the project' whether they are paid or not.
That doesn't necessarily mean those volunteers are on the government payroll,
They are likely to get benefits from the government. They want to be hired in the future by the govenment, they can get 'recommendations', 'pad' their CVs, etc etc etc. Corrupt assholes are 'creative' when it comes to this sort of thing.
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:48:50 -0500 psychoquinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
With freedom of speech, comes freedom to decide what to ignore. To flood a mailing list with off-topic and garbage posts, intrudes upon the freedom of speech
dude, you can't be that retarded There's no way for A's freedom of speech to intrude upon B's freedom of speech. The only way to 'intrude' upon freedom of speech is by means of CENSORSHIP.
for the participants of that list who want to discuss the named topic.
the named topic of your cesspool is 'tor' and that's why I discussed. I discussed your fake anonimity network and your criminal activites related to it. Not to mention, there have been probably hundreds of people posting 'off topic' garbage and none were banned. But we all know what kind of retarded fraud you are quinn. Your 'arguments' aren't exactly surprising nor valid.
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