Re: Helmholtz Tubes, CRT Signals (Was: Sigint Dumps)
Excuse delay, thought this went to the cpunks list. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <CAG+6jObQAytv2+mCvszWx_OgnpGANTaKggsu4jfVn-D1Tb0v5A@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Helmholtz Tubes, CRT Signals (Was: Sigint Dumps) From: Wilfred Guerin <wilfred@vt.edu> To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 To John- there are over 200 groups discussing the same issues, at least 2 got nationalised aggressively, and there have been some tangential posts on blogs or commercial forums mainly concerns about their datacenter security not knowing who might attack them, but overall the same concerns are expressed: Can the data be spoofed? Not at this resolution without having a model of everything at the same resolution... Are the blocks secure? No. [...] But services are stable. Exports to public? yes, p2p clusters loading, datacenters doing preparation processing, packed table files are set up for distributed search How do *you* know? UHD/4k VNC video stream to one of the master control servers handling the database import and text chat with 200 others, no direct access to data here, but certainty that the data is distributing. Involved how? rendering code to make GEO-TIFF map tiles and aggrigated spline/curves to simplify snapshot data and level of detail pyramid (multi-variate parametric search) index data. Now we ask... If this was NATO-ish or any variety of US/UK system built in the 1960s(?) can we solve for locations or viable downlink targets to intercept? This hint at geo-magnetic shift is a huge opportunity! The coin data is ... glorious... but the other signals are no less amusing, one set appears to be wired sigint in mhz carrier bands, assumably urban analogue phone signals as recorded from the switch routing system's ground or related wiretaps to rf via cable. genome.gov had links to the various data formats that others identified in the organics table. X-Ray physics and detector materials need research, 1890s through 1970s was a huge ammount of X-Ray publicity, but NEVER EVER DID ANYONE USE IT FOR SIGNALING??? BULLSHIT! ALSO!!! "is there any distinction at military bases or secure areas?" YES. there is some access control doors which others suggest is a standard card reader with number pad and automatic door that is common on the secure layer of military and COMMERCIAL CONTRACTOR facilities that has a proximity detector signal built into the door frame. THE COIN DATA WARPS AROUND THIS CYLINDRICAL SIGNAL ON THE DOOR PORTAL AND VECTOR PASSES THROUGH THE WALL. Obviously the vector is impossible without fields projected from that security device! There is also a ghosting signature that reduces sample rate (in the digitiser) around similar facilities, looks like it was isolated in the newer signal index, so it should be really obvious who is using these jamming systems and where! (and where else!) more questions: coins on boats? yes. coins on submarines? YES. (with ghosting) organic signals? wtf? Yes, but im told the prior emailed reference is erroneous: the primary index is a SIGNALS CHARACTERISTIC tree, the supporting block (large bit scope number) is VERY SIMILAR to a genetic expression profile tree such as genome.gov/ and many of the gene profiling standards. Hopefully the news will start posting the technical reports the primary groups have been preparing last few days... we need to get physics and advanced crypto groups attention, if the signals are encoded and that party broke through dense analogue crypto, it will take a huge effort to solve for that (it may have been an analogue EM field as well that performed the encoding or reference signals) to make the same capability posible for others. Staying alive! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
We're tweeting these posts. Blowback: is any evidence available to support the narrative? Sample of the data, say, for close examination, with credible provenance, not the GG secret pact bloviation.
Mild critique: is this sci-fi or legit or both, advancing the literary-video prize winning breaking news big screen Hollywood Neal Stephenson spirit of the Snowden "NSA disclosures."
At 09:54 AM 6/11/2015, you wrote:
More specifics on the sigint system:
This looks like a "Growth Industry" ...
Access to the beam is not restricted, anyone can pull signals out of the reconaissance loop from any of its exposed vectors.***
Viable areas: Terrestrial: a: Spurrious emissions from tubes or conduit, beam deflection from interior particles b: Stray beams passing through field coils but not redirected c: Direct access to tubes or conduit (any variety of methods) Orbital: d: Geo-Magnetic Shift (downlinks) e: Refractive / deflection (downlinks)
As the rate of geo-magnetic shift continues to deform the containment of the projected fields used to shape and steer the beams (which may also have something to do with the sensor itself?), wider areas will be accessible which are hit with the rogue spot beam from orbital (and projected field electro-magnetic) guides.
This means almost anyone with a sensor can gather data from the downlinks.
Additionally, spurrious radiation from the terrestrial system is available around endpoints and field coils, especially from damaged conduit or particles in the tubes.
Time to raid the libraries for antique books about 1800s-1980s X-Ray EM physics and electromagnetic wave guides!
It would not be rational to encode the carrier signal unless it was certain that the encoding would not disrupt signals quality, however raw X-Rated signals might have been too risky?
[There are Thz ring oscillators, detectors, and various photonic rings, but properly implemented field-effect lenses, EM field vector control circuitry and coils(/phased array) (abstract field projection), and optimal tube design are all that should theorhetically be needed once a rogue beam is identified. X-Ray Materials and interference fields must be researched and made common knowledge.]
Hopefully the data source is not too easily found and the dumps get out, this is extremely relevant for "civil liberties", human rights, and reconstructing your own personal history and records where your data is otherwise mising.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, Wilfred Guerin <wilfred@vt.edu> wrote:
Helmholtz Tube, Beam Steering, EM field interaction, simple field dynamics, (and your oscilliscope) are all you need to create complex EM signals processors.
No different than your antique crypto cracker, which uses an abstract field to solve complex pre-defined systems. "56-bit" https cracker was mass implemented as a 300mhz backplane EM field solver about the size of your desktop computer.
Using the same technology, resolution, and methods, BTC Bitcoins are around 8m^3 of field to solve.
No doubt the access and decoding to these sigint signals requires similar proessing before being steered to the digitiser.
(Maxwell Tube, Helmholtz Tube, typical of high school physics classrooms)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/13/2015 01:54 PM, John Young wrote:
Excuse delay, thought this went to the cpunks list.
[ ... ]
more questions:
coins on boats? yes. coins on submarines? YES. (with ghosting)
organic signals? wtf?
Yes, but im told the prior emailed reference is erroneous: the primary index is a SIGNALS CHARACTERISTIC tree, the supporting block (large bit scope number) is VERY SIMILAR to a genetic expression profile tree such as genome.gov/ and many of the gene profiling standards.
[ ... ] Tracking individual coins? Genome expressions? Well... In the most literal sense, "this I have to see to believe." Some of our cosmologists, those of a philosophical bent, are working on the proposition that the Universe we inhabit is a simulation. Is this titanic "leak" evidence of someone Elsewhere debugging the space time continuum via massive dumps of the raw data used to assemble "life as we know it"? Again, I have my doubts. If all this stuff is pouring out into P2P networks, it would be nice if the people who have manged to interpret it in such detail would provide just one relevant .torrent file or etc. along with their amazing conclusions. Until then it's all just fun & games. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVfJDQAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0L9k4P/Alw4uG4ud+zOXt6zkKoLag6 0o+JfdZWhBK1RF3Y7JAcoslvHTVis6Mfz5vgIZMmEcPg0pr0vN8ewcqfvy8/yfbY MOh/UToGnqCZagWJ6xD0a+pm2kF6dTsoUR0mdFxr1ZgCrqfucqItYBKmnfR0IoXy 6b4gZLe3Mz0wKLrakbA0Dsblk3nmFrGi8g3bTtOWrDh+Rr34F2AQ6EFcA8zxFrY4 G4tA7cU+EyTYVDQZdairN8dLQjW+EsvwPmpQuO/zVgVHpWrGQi8/lflKVOlA6YJN IdjOBDbQbNfLcd4b6bCsDBaaTplmZc740LIRaCwy8Cv4EqaZtOmaYTFsOuVTyt/c 395Dm5aQFIj8U9S53Gd9TGBJ3zCSHwbxO/+dFcOARbRDh+im/XBWq5VBcB/Ri5DY GHTrQlUgArt9WVCWK8HQjxMRF6I9qxq0+vu3cknS+9zVFJyq4FPNHwIgmXTr08nw oOYO0rm72rv9iXDGr1Rdcs0ujRrHMkXoq2DVZMgeYl3CCcevwJsCX7jBU+nK+WXp rQggbXDIbHSPzo0YUq4c6vzIAdYhosW2+XkOX/CB9uko69WD2mHQ1/I73RFzMn67 qOOdWiv4E+B3CsllrgS00dnGJTRcYvqiT0BKmFWc2o466r/KDvNAwQskWIgnL9Td L9ZrvvZ2F/5nbge3ehkZ =s0Jb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Excuse delay, thought this went to the cpunks list. ... primary groups have been preparing last few days... we need to get physics and advanced crypto groups attention, if the signals are
Give out a "small" snippet of a few months data, have the world crack the analysis algorithms for you in gleeful pursuit of First Post ego wins. Million dollar (heck, $10K) prizes, are politically incorrect for the data set, so semi-underground "oppositional" appearance is essential to enthuse the competent. What are their advantages? What are ours? For one, they have money, and therefore many full time people, and material resources. For one of ours, we have principle, ingenuity except that we speak every insight thereby giving away any advantage - but how to collaborate without speaking the insights? To improve our collective lot I believe requires collaboration. Perhaps deconstruct the justifications for those who receive prostitution money to royally do over the rest of us: - "One day I'll stop working for The Man and then I'll write even better cracks, but at that time against the man - I'll even upload them to github!" - "I need food." - "I love new toys and yeah." - "I'm confident I'm with the good guys/ fighting the bad guys." - "I'm poignantly amoral, atheistic, bemusedly observant, possibly mildly altruistic, my experience of my existence is just fine thank you please don't rock the boat." - ?
It is important that the crypto/physics communities prepare primers on the underlying technologies from a historic design perspective; how does a crt tv ray gun and beam director work? how does a metal detector work? sculpted or phased radar, phased array field projection, aegis, etc. Historic roots would include 1700s electodynamics theory especially electron beam physics and 1800s mail-order toys like high voltage coils, x-ray tubes and reactant materials, geissler tubes, helmholdt and maxwell coils, early hf wired and rf signals before the 1900s textbook stories, and of course guided fields such as are critical in understanding how these signals systems work in *earth's* environment. There is a high resolution model of electrical systems especially focused on those pesky tubes in 3d lattice alignment in office buildings... last i heard, 2nd hop distribution is having corruption and extortion problems, but load rate says the first slice should be done by mid week and automatically shared as arranged, original data is aligned to the solstice 2014, suggesting more next weekend? On Saturday, June 13, 2015, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Excuse delay, thought this went to the cpunks list.
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: < CAG+6jObQAytv2+mCvszWx_OgnpGANTaKggsu4jfVn-D1Tb0v5A@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Helmholtz Tubes, CRT Signals (Was: Sigint Dumps) From: Wilfred Guerin <wilfred@vt.edu> To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
To John-
there are over 200 groups discussing the same issues, at least 2 got nationalised aggressively, and there have been some tangential posts on blogs or commercial forums mainly concerns about their datacenter security not knowing who might attack them, but overall the same concerns are expressed:
Can the data be spoofed? Not at this resolution without having a model of everything at the same resolution...
Are the blocks secure? No. [...] But services are stable.
Exports to public? yes, p2p clusters loading, datacenters doing preparation processing, packed table files are set up for distributed search
How do *you* know? UHD/4k VNC video stream to one of the master control servers handling the database import and text chat with 200 others, no direct access to data here, but certainty that the data is distributing.
Involved how? rendering code to make GEO-TIFF map tiles and aggrigated spline/curves to simplify snapshot data and level of detail pyramid (multi-variate parametric search) index data.
Now we ask... If this was NATO-ish or any variety of US/UK system built in the 1960s(?) can we solve for locations or viable downlink targets to intercept? This hint at geo-magnetic shift is a huge opportunity!
The coin data is ... glorious... but the other signals are no less amusing, one set appears to be wired sigint in mhz carrier bands, assumably urban analogue phone signals as recorded from the switch routing system's ground or related wiretaps to rf via cable.
genome.gov had links to the various data formats that others identified in the organics table.
X-Ray physics and detector materials need research, 1890s through 1970s was a huge ammount of X-Ray publicity, but NEVER EVER DID ANYONE USE IT FOR SIGNALING??? BULLSHIT!
ALSO!!!
"is there any distinction at military bases or secure areas?" YES. there is some access control doors which others suggest is a standard card reader with number pad and automatic door that is common on the secure layer of military and COMMERCIAL CONTRACTOR facilities that has a proximity detector signal built into the door frame. THE COIN DATA WARPS AROUND THIS CYLINDRICAL SIGNAL ON THE DOOR PORTAL AND VECTOR PASSES THROUGH THE WALL. Obviously the vector is impossible without fields projected from that security device! There is also a ghosting signature that reduces sample rate (in the digitiser) around similar facilities, looks like it was isolated in the newer signal index, so it should be really obvious who is using these jamming systems and where! (and where else!)
more questions:
coins on boats? yes. coins on submarines? YES. (with ghosting)
organic signals? wtf?
Yes, but im told the prior emailed reference is erroneous: the primary index is a SIGNALS CHARACTERISTIC tree, the supporting block (large bit scope number) is VERY SIMILAR to a genetic expression profile tree such as genome.gov/ and many of the gene profiling standards.
Hopefully the news will start posting the technical reports the primary groups have been preparing last few days... we need to get physics and advanced crypto groups attention, if the signals are encoded and that party broke through dense analogue crypto, it will take a huge effort to solve for that (it may have been an analogue EM field as well that performed the encoding or reference signals) to make the same capability posible for others.
Staying alive!
We're tweeting these posts. Blowback: is any evidence available to support the narrative? Sample of the data, say, for close examination, with credible provenance, not the GG secret pact bloviation.
Mild critique: is this sci-fi or legit or both, advancing the
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote: literary-video
prize winning breaking news big screen Hollywood Neal Stephenson spirit of the Snowden "NSA disclosures."
At 09:54 AM 6/11/2015, you wrote:
More specifics on the sigint system:
This looks like a "Growth Industry" ...
Access to the beam is not restricted, anyone can pull signals out of the reconaissance loop from any of its exposed vectors.***
Viable areas: Terrestrial: a: Spurrious emissions from tubes or conduit, beam deflection from interior particles b: Stray beams passing through field coils but not redirected c: Direct access to tubes or conduit (any variety of methods) Orbital: d: Geo-Magnetic Shift (downlinks) e: Refractive / deflection (downlinks)
As the rate of geo-magnetic shift continues to deform the containment of the projected fields used to shape and steer the beams (which may also have something to do with the sensor itself?), wider areas will be accessible which are hit with the rogue spot beam from orbital (and projected field electro-magnetic) guides.
This means almost anyone with a sensor can gather data from the
downlinks.
Additionally, spurrious radiation from the terrestrial system is available around endpoints and field coils, especially from damaged conduit or particles in the tubes.
Time to raid the libraries for antique books about 1800s-1980s X-Ray EM physics and electromagnetic wave guides!
It would not be rational to encode the carrier signal unless it was certain that the encoding would not disrupt signals quality, however raw X-Rated signals might have been too risky?
[There are Thz ring oscillators, detectors, and various photonic rings, but properly implemented field-effect lenses, EM field vector control circuitry and coils(/phased array) (abstract field projection), and optimal tube design are all that should theorhetically be needed once a rogue beam is identified. X-Ray Materials and interference fields must be researched and made common knowledge.]
Hopefully the data source is not too easily found and the dumps get out, this is extremely relevant for "civil liberties", human rights, and reconstructing your own personal history and records where your data is otherwise mising.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, Wilfred Guerin <wilfred@vt.edu> wrote:
Helmholtz Tube, Beam Steering, EM field interaction, simple field dynamics, (and your oscilliscope) are all you need to create complex EM signals processors.
No different than your antique crypto cracker, which uses an abstract field to solve complex pre-defined systems. "56-bit" https cracker was mass implemented as a 300mhz backplane EM field solver about the size of your desktop computer.
Using the same technology, resolution, and methods, BTC Bitcoins are around 8m^3 of field to solve.
No doubt the access and decoding to these sigint signals requires similar proessing before being steered to the digitiser.
(Maxwell Tube, Helmholtz Tube, typical of high school physics classrooms)
Dnia niedziela, 14 czerwca 2015 09:29:53 Wilfred Guerin pisze:
last i heard, 2nd hop distribution is having corruption and extortion problems, but load rate says the first slice should be done by mid week and automatically shared as arranged, original data is aligned to the solstice 2014, suggesting more next weekend?
2 weeks later, nothing came. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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