(Guessing you meant this to be on-list Steven.) It is likely (he had some number of employees) that he used lawyers. That was problem #1. Yes, problem #2, from what you say it appears he acted "double minded" in his accounting, vs his filings/ defence in the court. Double minded is a legal phrase, and one must be very careful to maintain a consistent position, as well as, and more importantly, a consistent jurisdiction. Failure to consistently stay in the jurisdiction of law ("sand pit") in which you can ultimately win your court case, is the primary failure arising from double mindedness. And, the courts imply jurisdiction based on the arguments, positions and evidence before the court. And in this case, the more obvious failure of double mindedness, by Kahre, is that he attempted to employ and pay people in constitutional jurisdiction, yet did so within a government created statutory corporation. The corporation is bound by the government's statute laws and corresponding fiction jurisdiction which includes the jurisdiction (i.e. and obligations) of and to the IRS. "You can't have your cake and eat it too." Don't go in to battle being double minded. On the other hand, if you are able to operate properly outside the government's fictional statutory jurisdictions (it's not hard, but it does require diligence), then it is entirely straightforward to operate your business (not statutory Corporation), entirely within the jurisdiction of Constitution. Disclaim this is common advice not legal advice the govt says you gotta get a lawyer and we all gotta tell each other we gotta get lawyers and if we say anything else we are engaging in legal practice and open to prosecution for engaging in legal practice and you can stay outside that evil jurisdiction but it does take quite a lot of reading and prolly some practice and don't quote me I am not a lawyer so go get your legal advice from a lawyer, plebe! :) Learning to, and playing in, jurisdictions that are outside of government fictions / statute law, is rivetting, exciting, liberating, scary, a whole new world, quite anarchic, and altogether provides a genuine experience of living. If you are timid, go back to bed now - you have been warned. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:01:21AM -0700, Steven Schear wrote:

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From what I recall in reading the LV Review-Journal reporting, the major legal mistake Kahre made was accounting for the gold in his books at both the notional and market price. This enabled prosecutors to show he really didn't value the gold coins at their denominated values when paying his contractors, despite the clever use of such coins to file his court papers (which the government accepted at their denominated value, and therefore was guilty of fraud and tax evasion.

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 16:39:27 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 07:44:42PM -0300, juan wrote:

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This is what happens to honest businessmen in the US https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2012/03/26/use- real-money-go-to-federal-prison/

Not only the USA.

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Moral of the story? A win/change by a lone individual will not last the next term of government where he is not re-elected, and ONLY a genuine grass roots supported movement for change, shall be lasting.

But he did get some popular support...

No, he got support for the data/info gathering.

Entirely different to political support for a systemic change.

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Maybe the moral of the story is that democracy is rather flawed. "If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal"

The Swiss failed to keep constitutional and therefore people control over their own money.

But they did for some decades experience far greater political "control" than most other so-called democracies around the world.

Also balk against "they" - far too defeatist, leads to disheartened apathy ("there's nothing we can do - 'they' will stop us"). Not useful.