Cypherpunks is broken - Welcome to Secret Admirers
TL;DR, apply here: http://oestla3j22reypzj.onion/account/index/applyform It's been more than 20 years since the the Cypherpunk's manifesto was published and we believe it's more important today than it was back then. And like the manifesto, we believe in action more than in talk. Just as software and hardware can be developed for surveillance purposes, so can it be for better privacy and a truly free cyberspace. Technology itself is neutral, we choose what to build with it. The reason so little has been achieved lately is because we lost track of a fundamental point from the manifesto: Cypherpunks write code. We know that someone has to write software to defend privacy, and since we can't get privacy unless we all do, we're going to write it. We publish our code so that our fellow Cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Our code is free for all to use, worldwide. We don't much care if you don't approve of the software we write. It seems that the original Cypherpunks mailing list degraded into a debating society and very little new code is written. The signal-to-noise ratio has become abysmal. Intellectual masturbation won't give us more privacy - deployed code does. Towards that end we founded the Secret Admirers. This is what we offer - for members only: - The Secret Admirers mailing list (only reachable via Tor). - The Secret Admirers mailing list archive. - Mail account on the Secret Admirers server to communicate with the mailing list and other members (IMAP). - Git repository hosting (with read access for all member repositories). - Members can edit a user file on the server (for example, to publish their public PGP key). Secret Admirers Rules - Secret Admirers is a community of doers. To be a member, you have to code/maintain privacy enhancing software and/or be the admin of privacy enhancing systems/services. This includes digital OPSEC tools and open-source hardware which is privacy/security related. - To become a full member of Secret Admirers you have to go through the application process (see below). - The existing full members will vote to decide if an applicant becomes a full member. - For all software and systems we design the following holds true: The more privacy it provides the better. This usually implies that strong cryptography is used as well. - Discussions on the Secret Admirers mailing list should be in regard to Cypherpunk... how to build better systems. Members are expected to communicate in a civilized manner and try to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio. - Software written by our members in the context of Secret Admirers is freely available to all other members. - Only the original author may make the source code available to the general public. Members never release source code written and unreleased by other members. - A full member can bring up to two followers to Secret Admirers. - Followers get the same benefits as full members except voting rights and bringing in followers. - Followers can apply for full membership under the same rules as normal applicants. - Full members have to maintain the conditions of their application. That is, they keep working on/maintaining privacy related software or systems. If members stop being productive they risk loosing their membership status. - Members who do not follow the rules will be ejected. If a full member is ejected his followers will be ejected with him. How to apply for Secret Admirers For your Secret Admirers application we need: - A way to contact you (encrypted). - Your desired pseudonym on Secret Admirers. - A description of your working software project/system. If the code/system is already public we will request proof of control from you. - If you want to make the code only available to Secret Admirers we need it upfront to be able to review your application. Apply here: http://oestla3j22reypzj.onion/account/index/applyform
On October 29, 2015 9:31:10 AM "Riad S. Wahby" <rsw@jfet.org> wrote:
Trent Secret Admirers <trent.secretadmirers@ownbay.net> wrote:
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I think you left out "learn our awesome secret handshake."
Anyway, can I be a member if I volunteer to make the NO NARKZ ALLOWED sign for the treehouse?
I'm only joining if it's Trent Reznor. -S
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:41:00 +0000 Trent Secret Admirers <trent.secretadmirers@ownbay.net> wrote:
TL;DR, apply here:
And like the manifesto, we believe in action more than in talk.
Just as software and hardware can be developed for surveillance purposes, so can it be for better privacy and a truly free cyberspace.
That's unfounded TALK.
Technology itself is neutral, we choose what to build with it.
That's more talk. And it's wrong talk too! Technology may be morally neutral, but it isn't 'neutral' in a general sense. The current technology completly favors totalitarianism.
The reason so little has been achieved lately is because we lost track of a fundamental point from the manifesto:
Cypherpunks write code.
...without knowing the ABC of politics. That's cute.
It seems that the original Cypherpunks mailing list degraded into a debating society
I guess people with no arguments are unlikely to like a debating society...They don't like to be remainded of their cluelessness.
and very little new code is written. The signal-to-noise ratio has become abysmal. Intellectual masturbation won't give us more privacy - deployed code does.
And the proof backing your baseless talk is...where? Right! It's no-where to be found. What you have is only...talk.
Towards that end we founded the Secret Admirers. This is what we offer - for members only:
- The Secret Admirers mailing list (only reachable via Tor).
Yep. You get AAAAAA++++++ as far as self-parody goes.
- The Secret Admirers mailing list archive. - Mail account on the Secret Admirers server to communicate with the mailing list and other members (IMAP). - Git repository hosting (with read access for all member repositories). - Members can edit a user file on the server (for example, to publish their public PGP key).
Secret Admirers Rules
- Secret Admirers is a community of doers. To be a member, you have to code/maintain privacy enhancing software and/or be the admin of privacy enhancing systems/services. This includes digital OPSEC tools and open-source hardware which is privacy/security related. - To become a full member of Secret Admirers you have to go through the application process (see below). - The existing full members will vote to decide if an applicant becomes a full member. - For all software and systems we design the following holds true: The more privacy it provides the better. This usually implies that strong cryptography is used as well. - Discussions on the Secret Admirers mailing list should be in regard to Cypherpunk... how to build better systems. Members are expected to communicate in a civilized manner and try to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio. - Software written by our members in the context of Secret Admirers is freely available to all other members. - Only the original author may make the source code available to the general public. Members never release source code written and unreleased by other members. - A full member can bring up to two followers to Secret Admirers. - Followers get the same benefits as full members except voting rights and bringing in followers. - Followers can apply for full membership under the same rules as normal applicants. - Full members have to maintain the conditions of their application. That is, they keep working on/maintaining privacy related software or systems. If members stop being productive they risk loosing their membership status. - Members who do not follow the rules will be ejected. If a full member is ejected his followers will be ejected with him.
How to apply for Secret Admirers For your Secret Admirers application we need:
- A way to contact you (encrypted). - Your desired pseudonym on Secret Admirers. - A description of your working software project/system. If the code/system is already public we will request proof of control from you. - If you want to make the code only available to Secret Admirers we need it upfront to be able to review your application.
Apply here: http://oestla3j22reypzj.onion/account/index/applyform
No. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 03:41:00PM +0000, Trent Secret Admirers wrote:
It seems that the original Cypherpunks mailing list degraded into a debating society and very little new code is written.
How do you know?
- The Secret Admirers mailing list (only reachable via Tor).
This is wrong on multiple levels. The most important one being, that I will not hide for public communications. By going dark you will help tighten the surveillance state and not fight it. Fighting against this has to be done in public, otherwise the fight doesn't exist.
- To become a full member of Secret Admirers you have to go through the application process (see below).
Who set those rules? And why?
Members are expected to communicate in a civilized manner
Ah, yet another "code of conduct"? Fuck it!
- Followers get the same benefits as full members except voting rights and bringing in followers.
"Followers" as in sect members?
If members stop being productive they risk loosing thei membership status.
And of course there's a process in place to handle cases where members are ill, in holiday, jailed or whatever.
- Members who do not follow the rules will be ejected.
What kind of mailing list does this? I call bullshit. - Tom
On 10/29/15, Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 03:41:00PM +0000, Trent Secret Admirers wrote:
- Members who do not follow the rules will be ejected.
[excitement of possible fun fast ride] <indefinite vowel; rising intonation; Japanese style>Oo?</>
What kind of mailing list does this?
[dawning realisation of non-carnivalé experience] <descending intonation>Ohh!</> Might be fun to troll...
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