We cannot support a world population of billions without large amounts of energy. We could in fact produce the required energy without carbon emissions What green energy projects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power Nextgen #OpenSource #OpenAudit nuclear energy is clean and safe baseload until every rooftop is solar. Nuclear fuel is obviously limited supply. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropower Hydro recycles itself, but fucks with water systems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power Geothermal is generally unlimited, but not very powerful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power Solar and wind power, are useful for offgrid cypherpunks venturing energy independence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_battery Various storage systems for punks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen Hydrogen is interesting closed loop between solar electric cracking, gaseous fuel usage, and water.
CO2
Likely more problematic than strictly CO2 alone, likely for decades past and some to come, is all the toxic pollution products and byproducts, destruction wastelands, industrial, farming, vehicle runoff, nanoparticles, etc mentioned before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane Many LNG (Methane) / LPG etc gas combust relatively cleanly to CO2 and H2O, but not under some non-ideal combustion cycles that are in use today. Production processing is not exactly clean or efficient either.
higher energy prices seize the means of production, and most of them want to shake down the energy grid.
Ever notice how, even though you've been more or less forced to migrate from incandescent watts and even CFL and CPU watts, for LED and 7nm watts... your total electric bill has actually increased ever since incandescent was cut out of the market.
People want to continue traveling around
Walk and sailboat, bitch. Don't forget your papers, please. https://papersplease.org/
invariably shuts down people If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, green energy projects would produce useful energy, instead of superior holiness.
Must be decentralized.
lifestyles
Tooling around in your yuppie jackass SUV smokin endo and buying up all the bullshit at yet another mall... is not a lifestyle, it's a pointless waste. Die already.
frequently get blackouts and brownouts
Same as always really.
Perhaps we'll eventually have batteries for utilities, automobiles and aircraft which "refuel", rather than recharge in place, using electrolyte replacement. See for example, https://energypost.eu/can-vanadium-flow-batteries-beat-li-ion-for-utility-sc... On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 9:39 PM grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
We cannot support a world population of billions without large amounts of energy. We could in fact produce the required energy without carbon emissions What green energy projects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power
Nextgen #OpenSource #OpenAudit nuclear energy is clean and safe baseload until every rooftop is solar. Nuclear fuel is obviously limited supply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropower
Hydro recycles itself, but fucks with water systems.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power
Geothermal is generally unlimited, but not very powerful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power
Solar and wind power, are useful for offgrid cypherpunks venturing energy independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_battery
Various storage systems for punks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen
Hydrogen is interesting closed loop between solar electric cracking, gaseous fuel usage, and water.
CO2
Likely more problematic than strictly CO2 alone, likely for decades past and some to come, is all the toxic pollution products and byproducts, destruction wastelands, industrial, farming, vehicle runoff, nanoparticles, etc mentioned before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propane
Many LNG (Methane) / LPG etc gas combust relatively cleanly to CO2 and H2O, but not under some non-ideal combustion cycles that are in use today. Production processing is not exactly clean or efficient either.
higher energy prices seize the means of production, and most of them want to shake down the energy grid.
Ever notice how, even though you've been more or less forced to migrate from incandescent watts and even CFL and CPU watts, for LED and 7nm watts... your total electric bill has actually increased ever since incandescent was cut out of the market.
People want to continue traveling around
Walk and sailboat, bitch. Don't forget your papers, please.
invariably shuts down people If warmists believed a word of their own bullshit, green energy projects would produce useful energy, instead of superior holiness.
Must be decentralized.
lifestyles
Tooling around in your yuppie jackass SUV smokin endo and buying up all the bullshit at yet another mall... is not a lifestyle, it's a pointless waste. Die already.
frequently get blackouts and brownouts
Same as always really.
On 11/8/19, Steven Schear <schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we'll eventually have batteries for utilities, automobiles and aircraft which "refuel", rather than recharge in place, using electrolyte replacement.
See for example, https://energypost.eu/can-vanadium-flow-batteries-beat-li-ion-for-utility-sc...
Flow batteries have a section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_types Are VFB's available for people to buy and hack into their houses, at what comparative price for initial plus consumables, waste, lifetime, etc? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-iron_battery These can be had from various countries on ebay, alibaba, etc. Swap out the electrolyte every decade or so. Fairly cheap and hard to kill.
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