Reaching the Sheeple, Building a Cpunk Symbiot Army
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 4:53 AM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia poniedziałek, 9 listopada 2015 22:41:16 Tomas Overdrive Petru pisze:
Really? So what is purpose of this thread if I can ask? To complain that ordinary people are sheep?
I am slowly starting to think that this is the purpose of this whole *list*.
Cpunk care about the sheeple, and their gripe is a legit frustration... sheeple seem to be biologically unreachable regarding the risks they face in this area. Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world? Now look at a certain subset of sheeple... the NRA. These folks are built of the same sort as the average sheeple, but it is discovered one thing that motivates and resonates them... guns, and the surrounding rhetoric and issues. And it so happens that they also have a strong interest in privacy and dislike of government nature. They mention against the NSA and spying and databases in their convention speeches, you can find them on youtube. And their political action call tree and fundraising is one to be reckoned with. If cpunks would just reach out, these guys would be a close symbiot army. For example, if you show them your encrypted chat app it's not long before lightbulb and they ask you "Wait, so you mean I can talk shit with my buds about how many rounds of ammo I got in the basement, moonshine, and that damn president we got... all without the gubmint hearing me?" "Yep," you say, at which point you've become instant friends. Yet where is the cpunk set up with a booth at NRA conventions and gun shows giving demos and handing out pamphlets??? The sheeple may be mostly hopeless cause, but there are various groups that could be allied with in order to multiply cpunk numbers to the level necessary to effect change. Which ones and why? The religious... Doctor Patient... Attorney Client... ??? Where is Cpunk focusing its efforts and getting results? Wasting on Johnny who might not ever get it, or on cultivating a symbiot army that will cause change and thus bring something new to Johnny by default.
Not much I can add but +1 :) This is a great idea, even the best technical solutions will fail if they do not gain a significant mass adoption and all of these groups have friends outside of their respective groups. On 15/11/15 06:53, grarpamp wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 4:53 AM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia poniedziałek, 9 listopada 2015 22:41:16 Tomas Overdrive Petru pisze:
Really? So what is purpose of this thread if I can ask? To complain that ordinary people are sheep?
I am slowly starting to think that this is the purpose of this whole *list*.
Cpunk care about the sheeple, and their gripe is a legit frustration... sheeple seem to be biologically unreachable regarding the risks they face in this area.
Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world?
Now look at a certain subset of sheeple... the NRA. These folks are built of the same sort as the average sheeple, but it is discovered one thing that motivates and resonates them... guns, and the surrounding rhetoric and issues. And it so happens that they also have a strong interest in privacy and dislike of government nature. They mention against the NSA and spying and databases in their convention speeches, you can find them on youtube. And their political action call tree and fundraising is one to be reckoned with. If cpunks would just reach out, these guys would be a close symbiot army. For example, if you show them your encrypted chat app it's not long before lightbulb and they ask you "Wait, so you mean I can talk shit with my buds about how many rounds of ammo I got in the basement, moonshine, and that damn president we got... all without the gubmint hearing me?" "Yep," you say, at which point you've become instant friends.
Yet where is the cpunk set up with a booth at NRA conventions and gun shows giving demos and handing out pamphlets???
The sheeple may be mostly hopeless cause, but there are various groups that could be allied with in order to multiply cpunk numbers to the level necessary to effect change. Which ones and why?
The religious... Doctor Patient... Attorney Client... ???
Where is Cpunk focusing its efforts and getting results? Wasting on Johnny who might not ever get it, or on cultivating a symbiot army that will cause change and thus bring something new to Johnny by default.
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 01:53:13 grarpamp pisze:
Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world?
Cryptoparties. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 16/11/15 21:01, rysiek wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 01:53:13 grarpamp pisze:
Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world?
Cryptoparties.
Except no-one but motivated ppl go to those, the problem is one of getting ppl to the point where they want to attend a cryptoparty :)
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:31 PM, oshwm <oshwm@openmailbox.org> wrote:
On 16/11/15 21:01, rysiek wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 01:53:13 grarpamp pisze:
Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world?
Cryptoparties.
Except no-one but motivated ppl go to those, the problem is one of getting ppl to the point where they want to attend a cryptoparty :)
Agreed. You would have to hold them in sheeple's libraries or churches and so on where they are already there as oppurtunity to drop in the room. Not make them drive some special trip to foreign place.
Dnia poniedziałek, 16 listopada 2015 22:20:01 grarpamp pisze:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:31 PM, oshwm <oshwm@openmailbox.org> wrote:
On 16/11/15 21:01, rysiek wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 01:53:13 grarpamp pisze:
Can anyone point out a successful strategy that has been used for the cpunk to reach and enlighten them such that they make some sort of change for themselves, or act to change their world?
Cryptoparties.
Except no-one but motivated ppl go to those, the problem is one of getting ppl to the point where they want to attend a cryptoparty :)
Agreed. You would have to hold them in sheeple's libraries or churches and so on where they are already there as oppurtunity to drop in the room. Not make them drive some special trip to foreign place.
So hold them in sheeple libraries and churches. Warsaw Hackerspace organised CryptoParties in the Museum of Modern Art in Warsaw, at a Polish Chamber of Commerce conference, in schools, in libraries, etc. This seems much more worthy of energy than finding excuses. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:53:13 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 4:53 AM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia poniedziałek, 9 listopada 2015 22:41:16 Tomas Overdrive Petru pisze:
Really? So what is purpose of this thread if I can ask? To complain that ordinary people are sheep?
I am slowly starting to think that this is the purpose of this whole *list*.
Cpunk care about the sheeple, and their gripe is a legit frustration... sheeple seem to be biologically unreachable
The sheep metaphor is misleading. We are actually dealing with a cultural problem.
Dnia wtorek, 17 listopada 2015 00:43:52 juan pisze:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:53:13 -0500
grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 4:53 AM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia poniedziałek, 9 listopada 2015 22:41:16 Tomas Overdrive Petru
pisze:
Really? So what is purpose of this thread if I can ask? To complain that ordinary people are sheep?
I am slowly starting to think that this is the purpose of this whole *list*.
Cpunk care about the sheeple, and their gripe is a legit frustration... sheeple seem to be biologically unreachable
The sheep metaphor is misleading. We are actually dealing with a cultural problem.
People are sufficiently concerned about surveillance, but they really are not offered any practical, useful ways of dealing with that. So they ignore it and go on as normal. This is the thing -- apart from providing reasons, we must start providing actual working tools. And I mean working for Jack and Jill, not for people on this list. Please do not even let me start on Enigmail and Mailvelope. Tox, on the other hand, seems to be something genuinely useful. Simple and effective. We need more Tox and less Mailvelope. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 11/23/15, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
This is the thing -- apart from providing reasons, we must start providing actual working tools. And I mean working for Jack and Jill, not for people on this list.
Please do not even let me start on Enigmail and Mailvelope. Tox, on the other hand, seems to be something genuinely useful. Simple and effective. We need more Tox and less Mailvelope.
Another advantage of building a group of users, is it facilitates segue in the future - from Tox to Google+ for example. I know, I know, great example, I can't stop smiling I'm so pleased.
From this perspective, -something- is much better than nothing. TBB bread is an easy way to start a sheep. For those who want some tin foil, give them TrueCrypt cake.
Ideally encourage your wether to encourage/ install for others.
On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:37:26 +0000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 11/23/15, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
This is the thing -- apart from providing reasons, we must start providing actual working tools. And I mean working for Jack and Jill, not for people on this list.
Please do not even let me start on Enigmail and Mailvelope. Tox, on the other hand, seems to be something genuinely useful. Simple and effective. We need more Tox and less Mailvelope.
Another advantage of building a group of users, is it facilitates segue in the future - from Tox to Google+ for example. I know, I know, great example, I can't stop smiling I'm so pleased.
From this perspective, -something- is much better than nothing. TBB bread is an easy way to start a sheep. For those who want some tin foil, give them TrueCrypt cake.
Ideally encourage your wether to encourage/ install for others.
Truecrypt, great choice! The new hackerspace's location in Brussels is in Molenbeek. Perhaps not too opportune to organize cryptoparties there now..
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