Deep Divers, there is no such thing as liberation tech
Technology is but an agnostic tool. There is no such thing as a liberation tech, only applied tech via paths toward something. One cannot apply a tech toward liberation without first considering what a state of being of actual liberation might variously be about, to know where to go, what to make with the tech. Democracy being nothing more than a decentralized form of the murderous dictators many claim to be liberating themselves or people from, both forms hardly a state of liberation at all, yet worshipped and profferred by all too many, we therefore continue this random series on path choices... How to be a tyrant. Sound Familiar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LtEciQUF8 Deep Divers, let the balloon go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbX-Bvb2u_w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3lEc-IFr8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLntHoTgDA
On 5/6/20, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
Technology is but an agnostic tool.
such an unfounded and false assertion is proof of infinite idiocy.
The computer you're using doesn't come with political or other instruction manual, or command you, or care what you do with it, it just sits there [1] as you tap out whatever message you want. Feel free to use your specialty to grind that tool into dust if you think it's influencing your use of it. In that case, be sure to tell us how your only remaining technological tool is agnostic, or grind it down too and starve yourself to death... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzIYaZk9s-o You'll be posting from it again though, tap tap tap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHKngZTqAqo And using the rest of your favorite tools... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=animals+using+tools [1] Excepting all its non #OpenHW and #OpenSW built and used by GovCorp for spying and fucking your ass over. A different issue, and up to users to go build and use those #'s to help avoid that problem.
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 03:30:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
On 5/6/20, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
Technology is but an agnostic tool.
such an unfounded and false assertion is proof of infinite idiocy.
The computer you're using doesn't come with political or other instruction manual, or command you, or care what you do with it, it just sits there [1] as you tap out whatever message you want. Feel free to use your specialty to grind that tool into dust if you think it's influencing your use of it. In that case, be sure to tell us how your only remaining technological tool is agnostic, or grind it down too and starve yourself to death...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzIYaZk9s-o
You'll be posting from it again though, tap tap tap...
Ooh, nasty! Digital Chinese water torture... <shivers/> Didn't think ya had it in you, grarpamp.
And using the rest of your favorite tools...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=animals+using+tools
[1] Excepting all its non #OpenHW and #OpenSW built and used by GovCorp for spying and fucking your ass over. A different issue, and up to users to go build and use those #'s to help avoid that problem.
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 03:30:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
The computer you're using doesn't come with political or other instruction manual, or command you, or care what you do with it, it just sits there [1]
more high grade idiocy. The computer and the arpanet it connects to are a product of the US military industrial complex and serve their actual owners, not the 'users'.
[1] Excepting all its non #OpenHW and #OpenSW built and used by GovCorp for spying and fucking your ass over.
go figure - thanks for flatly contradicting your-self =)
A different issue,
yet another false and unfounded assertion.
and up to users to go build and use those #'s to help avoid that problem.
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 01:57:17AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 10:24:21 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Technology is but an agnostic tool.
such an unfounded and false assertion is proof of infinite idiocy.
Let the Z.g rephrase that for you: There is technology and there is technology, not all same same - some tech is directly employed to fascist Orwellian ends. Such tech ain't the hammer we ought be buildin, n.ggah! There are AR-15s and there are nuclear bombs, and there is a qualitative difference between the two and although some might give an actual hammer to a 2 year old (at least when she's not in front of the TV or your big toe), there are few indeed whom one might consider handing an actual atomic bomb to. Thanks for highlighting this difference PunkStasi, really appreciated ;)
On Wed, 6 May 2020 19:26:05 +1000 "Zig the N.g" <ziggerjoe@yandex.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 01:57:17AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Tue, 5 May 2020 10:24:21 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Technology is but an agnostic tool.
such an unfounded and false assertion is proof of infinite idiocy.
Let the Z.g rephrase that for you:
There is technology and there is technology, not all same same - some tech is directly employed to fascist Orwellian ends.
Such tech ain't the hammer we ought be buildin, n.ggah!
That's not the main problem but a side-effect. Technical developments are based on social cooperation, including a big amount of COERCIVE cooperation. Technical developments do not exist in a void but are mostly the result of so called ''division of labor', which in turn has a bunch of requirements and consequences that are hardly 'agnostic'. Also technical developments are based on knowledge and that's yet another way in which they are not 'agnostic' - words "gnostic" and "know" coming from the same indo european root and concept.
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