California Penal Code 12355
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_property https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McComb_v._Connaghan As before, it's not 12355 anymore... PEN - 16310. - DIVISION 2. DEFINITIONS BOOBYTRAP PEN - 20110. - DIVISION 3. BOOBYTRAP
So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10
And if he refuses... then what?
On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:49:22 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_property https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McComb_v._Connaghan
As before, it's not 12355 anymore... PEN - 16310. - DIVISION 2. DEFINITIONS BOOBYTRAP PEN - 20110. - DIVISION 3. BOOBYTRAP
So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10
And if he refuses... then what?
in the worst case you lost $10. Deal with it.
On 12/20/19, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10
And if he refuses... then what?
in the worst case you lost $10. Deal with it.
How do you retrieve, a $significant to you value, from thief who... 1) has $significant, in original or convertible value, but refuses? 2) does not have $significant?
grarpamp wrote: > On 12/20/19, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: >>>> So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 >>> And if he refuses... then what? >> in the worst case you lost $10. Deal with it. > How do you retrieve, a $significant to you value, from thief who... > 1) has $significant, in original or convertible value, but refuses? > 2) does not have $significant? I always figured it would be worth the 10 to never have to deal with the person again. Maybe you simply have too much shit and it NEEDS to be expropriated for the good of society (It you were a tribal leader you'd be slaughtered in your sleep for withholding from the rest of the group). My suggesting is take Jim Bell ands his 'assinine-nation politricks' and move to the island imagined in Lord of the Flies. May the most murderous child win. Rr
On 12/21/19, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: >>>>> So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 >>>> And if he refuses... then what? >>> in the worst case you lost $10. Deal with it. >> How do you retrieve, a $significant to you value, from thief who... >> 1) has $significant, in original or convertible value, but refuses? >> 2) does not have $significant? > > I always figured it would be worth the 10 to never have to deal with the > person again. 1) See above... it's not $10 anymore, it's now respectively scaled to "$significant to you", so it can't be dodged as triviality. > to never have to deal with the person again. 2a) No, if there is no repurcussion, they'll likely keep coming back. 2b) Then it becomes beyond $significant to you, for which the original question remains. > Maybe you simply have too much shit and it NEEDS to be expropriated for > the good of society (It you were a tribal leader you'd be slaughtered in > your sleep for withholding from the rest of the group). 3) So now the thief has too much shit... yours and everyone else's. And now you have an ugly circular and cyclical thieves and slaughter society. Nice. Now if some region is voluntarily reculturing itself into a moral communal society, without stomping on anyone else including voluntarys still within it, sure a commune argument could be made, but it wasn't. The arg made was an immoral slaughterous one.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 15:25:58 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
1) See above... it's not $10 anymore, it's now respectively scaled to "$significant to you", so it can't be dodged as triviality.
It wasn't 'dodged'. Your use of term 'dodged' however shows that you missed the point.
to never have to deal with the person again.
2a) No, if there is no repurcussion, they'll likely keep coming back.
lawl - look at the nonsense write. If you lend $10 to guy and he doesn't pay back then you don't lend him anymore. Furthermore, it only cost you $10 to learn that the guy isn't trustable.
2b) Then it becomes beyond $significant to you, for which the original question remains.
'significant to you' is still vague. Anyway, you keep asking for people to solve your problems. Solve them yourself while keeping in mind that you're not allowed to violate personal rights.
On 12/21/19, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
"So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 and eventually damages." lend
No one ever said lend, in fact it was you who said "steals". Nice try, quit dodging.
solve
Your nihilism doesn't have any solution, but to grind everyone down to dust.
On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:48:02 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/21/19, Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
"So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 and eventually damages." lend
No one ever said lend, in fact it was you who said "steals".
Oops. My mistake. Still, a $10 debt illustrates the point as well. Using 'lethal force' to collect a $10 debt isn't 'justified' despite the fact that fake libertarians would certainly have you believe otherwise. But anyway, you're worried about a petty thief stealing $10 more than once? Feel free to find a solution to such a terrible problem. Take into account that your solution can't violate personal rights.
Nice try, quit dodging.
What makes you think that I have to solve your problems, real or imaginary? =)
solve
Your nihilism doesn't have any solution,
I'm an advocate of natural rights. Prety much the opposite of nihilism.
but to grind everyone down to dust.
Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
under libertarian rules justice demands restitution So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 and eventually damages
And if he refuses... then what? How do you retrieve, a $significant to you value, from thief who... 1) has $significant, in original or convertible value, but refuses? 2) does not have $significant?
$10... $10... $10...
You're dodging again, 3x now.
What
Quit dodging.
I'm an advocate
You not advocating anything certainly not from positive action. Not answering peoples questions out there and taking negative action does not advance your cause... people just ignore you. All you do is grind. Get lost with that.
the opposite
More unrelated fields of study than being opposites.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 07:49:19 -0800 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
grarpamp wrote:
You not advocating anything certainly not from positive action.
Killing someone over the theft (not Robbery, Theft ... there's a difference, stupid.) of ten dollars is only 'positive action' in YOUR SICKFUK mind, stupid.
I think he knows that. Or at least he did a few days ago. But now he apparently wants a system where every little crime is 'properly' dealt with, otherwise we'll have ANARCHY and CHAOS. And he wants me to provide a detailed blueprint, ha ha...
Rr
Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
under libertarian rules justice demands restitution So if, say, somebody steals $10, he has to return $10 and eventually damages
And if he refuses... then what? How do you retrieve, a $significant to you value, from thief who... 1) has $significant, in original or convertible value, but refuses? 2) does not have $significant?
positive
As in supporting your own work.
negative
As in not being a raging asshole to and among people.
But now
Nope, you're still twisting and dodging, 4th time now.
little
Nope, it's now $significant, not $10 anymore, but nice try, again.
random diversions and assertions
Nice try, but no cigar.
provide details
Not answering peoples questions out there and taking negative action does not advance your cause... people just ignore you. The question people will certainly have for you remains above. Whether you answer it or not is up to you. And you're a troll, among other things, so now enjoy the ignore filter.
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:59:06 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
And you're a troll, among other things, so now enjoy the ignore filter.
priceless. I guess the asshole got offendend when I pointed out that none of 'his' shitcoins scale. Likewise, the whole 'cryptoanarchy' project is a sorry failure...or worse* *...in case it's not clear, this is the arpadarpanet we are all using.
Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:59:06 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
And you're a troll, among other things, so now enjoy the ignore filter.
priceless. I guess the asshole got offendend when I pointed out that none of 'his' shitcoins scale. Likewise, the whole 'cryptoanarchy' project is a sorry failure...or worse*
It was usurped by the moneygrubbers who moved in as the anarchist innovators moved out of the industry (early mid-1970s). Ayn Randian LIbertards passing themselves off as Anarchists, when in reality they're capitalist hedo-nihilists This list is infested with them much in the way democrat 'prog-libs' infest and over-run radical listservs like [red-green]. There's a reason Tim May gtfo of crypto-currency and this list. He may have been a survivalist and paranoid, up in the Corralitos hills where HIPPIES LIVED before Gentrification came to Santa Cruz county, but he wasn't a libertard of the "Republicans who like to party variety' and he saw his dream's ruination at the hands of bitcoin speculators who destroyed it's value just like the same type of greedy scumbags did to the US economy as a whole, and Republican suit-wearing retards. Ps. There was a middle age 'street person' who used to hang out downtown. Literally lived on one of the benches on North Pacific St. for years. Played guitar well, but never busked... just played to himself. Highly intelligent on a wide variety of subjects but hostile if confronted with information he thought was garbage. One day at the coffee shop his ears perked up when I mentioned Tim and he told me he knew him well. A few days after Tim passed, he disappeared and I haven't seen him since. The guy has been around here doing that 'bench living' gig for literally decades. I do recall seeing them sitting on a bench together once or twice. Does anyone know if Tim had a brother? The guy was too old to be a son. It's just odd that he should have disappeared concurrently with Tim's passing and I wonder if he's related, or had some sort of willed rights to Tim's property. Rr
*...in case it's not clear, this is the arpadarpanet we are all using.
On Saturday, December 21, 2019, 07:57:09 AM PST, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
My suggesting is take Jim Bell ands his 'assinine-nation politricks' and move to the island imagined in Lord of the Flies. May the most murderous child win.
I recall reading LOTF about 45 year ago. I considered it hokey and contrived, basically a nightmare version of an improbable event. I wondered if it was a fictionalization of an actual event. Probably not. Jim Bell
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