[tt] NS 2935: Forget premiums: A peer-to-peer network will cover you
----- Forwarded message from Frank Forman <checker@panix.com> ----- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:54:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Frank Forman <checker@panix.com> To: Transhuman Tech <tt@postbiota.org> Subject: [tt] NS 2935: Forget premiums: A peer-to-peer network will cover you NS 2935: Forget premiums: A peer-to-peer network will cover you http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929354.300-forget-premiums-a-peertop... * 22 September 2013 by Hal Hodson People can now insure one another in peer-to-peer networks and do away with big insurance companies and premiums INSURANCE is an unfortunate fact of life. We pay large premiums to cover ourselves for bad events that often never happen. But there is another way. An online insurance firm called Peercover lets groups of people insure each other on their own terms and at a fraction of the cost. Insurance is the latest financial service to get a shake-up from peer-to-peer (P2P) dynamics. Already, individuals can lend money for a return with interest. Similarly, people wanting to exchange currency can avoid banks and instead use P2P services to find other people looking to make the opposite trade. "The changes in financial services that are happening now are happening more quickly and dramatically than anything we've seen over the last 100 years," says Ron Suber of peer-to-peer loan company Prosper. "Peercover is a great example." P2P insurance is simpler and cheaper than mainstream methods. "People are paying profit and overhead to insurance firms when they pay premiums," says Peercover co-founder Jared Mimms. Peercover groups don't collect premiums. Instead, every individual in the group has a stake - each is both insurer and insuree. The group's founder sets the initial conditions for that group, including what can be insured and the maximum value of an item. The payout for a claim is split between all members but is only made when the majority of the group approve the claim. The amount you pay out is directly proportional to the value of the goods you have insured, as calculated by Peercover's algorithms. Someone insuring a $400 cellphone will pay a larger proportion of a member's claim than someone who is insuring a $100 cellphone, for example. Members who fail to pay are ejected from the group and are no longer covered. The reason all this is possible is, as with other P2P services, because of the rise of new ways to pay online. "The kind of insurance we're interested in wasn't possible a few years ago," says Mimms. "It only became possible because of micropayments." Behind micropayments are breakthroughs such as the virtual currency Bitcoin and the payment network Ripple, which Peercover uses. Both charge an extremely small fee for processing a transaction compared with traditional models such as credit card companies, making payments as low as 20 cents feasible. Initially, Peercover's focus is on building groups to cover small things like cellphones, and what Mimms calls positive insurance. This is where a group pays out when a member reaches an agreed goal, such as giving up smoking. But he has grander visions too, such as health insurance, where large groups of Peercover users could negotiate preferential rates for treatment. "The technology allows for the potential of collective bargaining in the negotiation of healthcare costs in which groups may band together to practise some of the bargaining techniques used by governments and traditional insurance behemoths," Mimms says. Ellen Carney, an insurance industry analyst with research firm Forrester, says Peercover points towards the future of insurance. "It's very clever. This model is at the historical roots of so many insurance companies." She backs the idea that Peercover has the potential to change how health insurance works in the US, although there are obvious regulatory hurdles. "Health insurance in the US has a lot of problems. You could see that this would be an interesting alternative." Richard Carter, CEO of financial software developer Nostrum Group, says that data from sources such as social networks will play a role in a peer-to-peer world. This won't just be in the form of finding friends to go in with on coverage, but to judge unknown group applicants too. "Consumers need to learn that everything they put into the public domain is going to be used to judge them in future, whether they like it or not," Carter says. _______________________________________________ tt mailing list tt@postbiota.org http://postbiota.org/mailman/listinfo/tt ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5
What would stop somebody from lying about his phone being broken? Are the peers in the network should be his close friends or people that know him in the physical world? real. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:54:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Frank Forman <checker@panix.com> To: Transhuman Tech <tt@postbiota.org> Subject: [tt] NS 2935: Forget premiums: A peer-to-peer network will cover you
NS 2935: Forget premiums: A peer-to-peer network will cover you
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929354.300-forget-premiums-a-peertop... * 22 September 2013 by Hal Hodson
People can now insure one another in peer-to-peer networks and do away with big insurance companies and premiums
INSURANCE is an unfortunate fact of life. We pay large premiums to cover ourselves for bad events that often never happen. But there is another way. An online insurance firm called Peercover lets groups of people insure each other on their own terms and at a fraction of the cost.
Insurance is the latest financial service to get a shake-up from peer-to-peer (P2P) dynamics. Already, individuals can lend money for a return with interest. Similarly, people wanting to exchange currency can avoid banks and instead use P2P services to find other people looking to make the opposite trade.
"The changes in financial services that are happening now are happening more quickly and dramatically than anything we've seen over the last 100 years," says Ron Suber of peer-to-peer loan company Prosper. "Peercover is a great example."
P2P insurance is simpler and cheaper than mainstream methods. "People are paying profit and overhead to insurance firms when they pay premiums," says Peercover co-founder Jared Mimms. Peercover groups don't collect premiums. Instead, every individual in the group has a stake - each is both insurer and insuree. The group's founder sets the initial conditions for that group, including what can be insured and the maximum value of an item. The payout for a claim is split between all members but is only made when the majority of the group approve the claim. The amount you pay out is directly proportional to the value of the goods you have insured, as calculated by Peercover's algorithms. Someone insuring a $400 cellphone will pay a larger proportion of a member's claim than someone who is insuring a $100 cellphone, for example. Members who fail to pay are ejected from the group and are no longer covered.
The reason all this is possible is, as with other P2P services, because of the rise of new ways to pay online. "The kind of insurance we're interested in wasn't possible a few years ago," says Mimms. "It only became possible because of micropayments."
Behind micropayments are breakthroughs such as the virtual currency Bitcoin and the payment network Ripple, which Peercover uses. Both charge an extremely small fee for processing a transaction compared with traditional models such as credit card companies, making payments as low as 20 cents feasible.
Initially, Peercover's focus is on building groups to cover small things like cellphones, and what Mimms calls positive insurance. This is where a group pays out when a member reaches an agreed goal, such as giving up smoking. But he has grander visions too, such as health insurance, where large groups of Peercover users could negotiate preferential rates for treatment.
"The technology allows for the potential of collective bargaining in the negotiation of healthcare costs in which groups may band together to practise some of the bargaining techniques used by governments and traditional insurance behemoths," Mimms says.
Ellen Carney, an insurance industry analyst with research firm Forrester, says Peercover points towards the future of insurance. "It's very clever. This model is at the historical roots of so many insurance companies."
She backs the idea that Peercover has the potential to change how health insurance works in the US, although there are obvious regulatory hurdles. "Health insurance in the US has a lot of problems. You could see that this would be an interesting alternative."
Richard Carter, CEO of financial software developer Nostrum Group, says that data from sources such as social networks will play a role in a peer-to-peer world. This won't just be in the form of finding friends to go in with on coverage, but to judge unknown group applicants too.
"Consumers need to learn that everything they put into the public domain is going to be used to judge them in future, whether they like it or not," Carter says. _______________________________________________ tt mailing list tt@postbiota.org http://postbiota.org/mailman/listinfo/tt
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