In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat
Education. Some fear it, say that educated people are a threat to the uneducated, "lefty liberals" try to shut down free speech and run only LGBTQQPPC and "arts" courses (they don't call it Liberal Arts for nothing). When your "education" institutions have thoroughly clamped down on free speech and the average "educated" person has disdain for classical education, perhaps you -ought- be fearing your education institutions. This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant: Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes) A great quote from a slashdot commenter in the following article, responding in exasperation to someone using language <ahem>liberally</>: "It's not ad hominem to accuse someone of a position that they hold." Of course, logic never was a unit in your local Liberal Arts "degree" ... In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0037248/in-america-most-republicans... An anonymous reader quotes the Chronicle of Higher Education: A majority of Republicans and right-leaning independents think higher education has a negative effect on the country, according to a new study released by the Pew Research Center on Monday. The same study has found a consistent increase in distrust of colleges and universities since 2010, when negative perceptions among Republicans was measured at 32 percent. That number now stands at 58 percent. By comparison, 72 percent of Democrats or left-leaning Independents in the study said colleges and universities have a positive impact on the United States... In the Pew Research Center's study, distrust of colleges was strongest in the highest income bracket and the oldest age group, with approval levels of just 31 percent among respondents whose family income exceeds $75,000 a year and 27 percent among those older than 65.
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant:
Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes)
Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply saddening: Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations. And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy, blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand is treason ("terrorism"). Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here, stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads PR, aka comical faux wisdom. Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered. At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant:
Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes)
Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply saddening:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations. And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy, blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand is treason ("terrorism").
<sarcasm>I am sure that people would function in society better with no education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel, mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past. Imagine what people would come up with !</sarcasm> Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing millenials saying that education has no value.
Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here, stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant:
Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes)
Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply saddening:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Marina Brown <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote: Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations. And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy, blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand is treason ("terrorism").
<sarcasm>I am sure that people would function in society better with no education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel, mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past. Imagine what people would come up with !</sarcasm>
Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing millenials saying that education has no value.
Growing up in texas we were taught in high school that the civil war was NOT about slavery - it was about states' rights! I heard a story on NPR the other day about public schools in, I think it was Oklahoma, about how the fucking textbooks and curriculum are written by the petroleum industry. All the science and math classes try to teach everything within the context of petroleum, as much as possible. For all i know you have to read Oil! (or watch the excellent There Will Be Blood) to pass the goddamn english class. Anyway, i do agree that education is paramount... but how we prevent a dystopia Jesusland / east coast / west coast split in schools, and how to make sure kids get a valuable education?
Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here, stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant:
Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes)
Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply saddening:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
On 07/18/2017 10:34 AM, John Newman wrote:
On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Marina Brown <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote: Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations. And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy, blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand is treason ("terrorism").
<sarcasm>I am sure that people would function in society better with no education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel, mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past. Imagine what people would come up with !</sarcasm>
Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing millenials saying that education has no value.
Growing up in texas we were taught in high school that the civil war was NOT about slavery - it was about states' rights!
I heard a story on NPR the other day about public schools in, I think it was Oklahoma, about how the fucking textbooks and curriculum are written by the petroleum industry. All the science and math classes try to teach everything within the context of petroleum, as much as possible. For all i know you have to read Oil! (or watch the excellent There Will Be Blood) to pass the goddamn english class.
Anyway, i do agree that education is paramount... but how we prevent a dystopia Jesusland / east coast / west coast split in schools, and how to make sure kids get a valuable education?
I don't know. My parents were all educators - including father and stepfather. They fought all their lives against the devaluation of education even at the college level. I guess we have to keep up the fight against the propagandization and devaluation of education. It's been a long term project of authoritarians to create education that is akin to technical training without people learning how to think for themselves. We have to be ready for a long fight too. --- Marina
Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here, stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down in history as oh so poignant:
Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public Schools for Change https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII (17 minutes)
Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply saddening:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
On 07/18/2017 01:22 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
I don't know. My parents were all educators - including father and stepfather. They fought all their lives against the devaluation of education even at the college level.
I guess we have to keep up the fight against the propagandization and devaluation of education. It's been a long term project of authoritarians to create education that is akin to technical training without people learning how to think for themselves. We have to be ready for a long fight too.
--- Marina
I see a lot of problems with education. "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." Not always true, of course. But it becomes more so when extended to include "...and those who can't even teach, become educators." People are people and no generalization fits all cases, but I have seen the writing on the wall. I have seen educators whose principal objectives included cost containment, defense of funding though a politically mandated 'teach to the test' agenda, and pursuit of funding by presenting de facto advertising and/or banning a corporate benefactor's competitors from the classroom. This all puts educators at odds with teachers - especially teachers who want to help their students learn to "think for themselves." The educators have command authority in the enterprise, so the teachers rarely win. Professionals in every field that involves persuasion - sales, advertising, business administration, military and political propaganda - all use "education" as a preferred synonym for "indoctrination." Doctrines, a.k.a. fixed protocols, can have their uses when properly understood as tools under their users' conscious control. Science and engineering programs openly discuss this principle and its role in their fields of endeavor; but the "fuzzy studies" programs lean strongly toward applying indoctrination in the classroom, preparing students to apply the specified doctrines after graduation, as authorities in their various fields. A large majority of University students attend for just one reason: To buy their way onto the right side of an employment discrimination barrier, an ironclad agreement among college graduates that they will support their "own kind" via preference in hiring, promotion and compensation. Reading job postings, one sees numerous job descriptions where requirements include a degree in /any/ firld, with no regard to its relevance to the work in question. In those cases the employer wants proof of social rank, not evidence of competency. The American Dream of equal opportunity notwithstanding, the U.S. pay-for-play University system enforces a rigid social class barrier: Students whose parents can afford to heavily subsidize their tuitions emerge as winners, while the student loan scam leaves graduates of "lower social standing" in an upside down financial position they can not dig their way out of, even on the right side of the employment discrimination barrier. I find it more than ironic that people enrolled in "fuzzy studies" programs geared to the needs of mediocre students so often speak against "class privilege", while diligently working to safeguard, formalize and exploit their own class privilege by completing that degree program and presenting a certificate of conformity when they hit the employment market. At least they are "not racists." Any black, brown, yellow or etc. person can become as "white" as anyone else by getting a college diploma. True Believers in higher education all know about - but rarely mention - the ignorance, laziness, etc. that account for anyone's failure to "better themselves" through a college education. I strongly doubt that these and similar problems can be solved by educators - even in the unlikely event that a consensus to solve them emerges among that group: They do not control the purse strings, and neither do their student 'customers.' The systemic disorders in higher education reflect systemic disorders in society as a whole, which seems inevitable as long as higher education remains an integral part of the disordered system. I do have some hope that the descendants of those who survive the upcoming collapse of the global material economy will create a /much/ better educational system: Decentralized, consensus driven, inexpensive and adaptable, facilitating the practical objectives of people and communities organized on a far less self destructive basis than our present self destructive clusterfuck.
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:29:59 -0400 Marina Brown <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations. And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy, blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand is treason ("terrorism").
<sarcasm>I am sure that people would function in society better with no education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel, mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past. Imagine what people would come up with !</sarcasm>
Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo.
LMAO. <sarcasm> sure - learning a bunch of technical stuff so that you can become a better robot goes against the status quo</>
I know you are not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing millenials saying that education has no value.
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to americunt nazi....
(81 minutes, 11 seconds)
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:14:03PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to americunt nazi....
Sad indeed. The bit we can be grateful for is that he publicly exposed the operation to dumb down America - where he says their (paraphrasing) "turn America into a Liberal Arts shit hole" was successful beyond their wildest dreams, he is at least being honest - yes, at that point in time it was way too late for any apology - as he accurately predicted, it is still taking generations to get back to any sort of traditional foundation for America - even manufacturing was largely exported to China because gender studies is sooo much more important to the Zio elites. The truth is, the result was achieved by tacit consent of the people - America readily let go its foundations. And Yuri Bezmenov's interview was in 1983! Only around 2015, over 30 years later, did a conservative backlash finally start to take hold in a way which would eventually shift an American election. Yep, Masters in Gender Studies gonna gittus ta Mars now! (Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov )
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:08:43 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:14:03PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation (Full Length) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to americunt nazi....
Sad indeed.
The bit we can be grateful for is that he publicly exposed the operation to dumb down America
no, the guy was always a despicable piece of shit - his american propaganda is even worse than commie propaganda. if anything, the moral of the story is that KGB agents make perfect americunt propaganda agents. Which should tell you all you need to know about the Free Democratic World.
where he says their (paraphrasing) "turn America into a Liberal Arts shit hole" was successful beyond their wildest dreams, he is at least being honest
no he isn't.
- yes, at that point in time it was way too late for any apology - as he accurately predicted, it is still taking generations to get back to any sort of traditional foundation for America - even manufacturing was largely exported to China because gender studies is sooo much more important to the Zio elites.
The truth is, the result was achieved by tacit consent of the people - America readily let go its foundations.
you mean, slavery? No they didn't.
And Yuri Bezmenov's interview was in 1983!
Only around 2015, over 30 years later, did a conservative backlash finally start to take hold in a way which would eventually shift an American election.
Yep, Masters in Gender Studies gonna gittus ta Mars now!
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