UK wants backdoor access to WhatsApp in wake of London Attack
After all, that's so much simpler than refusing to be Airstrip One for the US Empire. UK: Attacker used WhatsApp, firm must help police get access Mar. 26, 2017 | 05:28 PM Associated Press via Lebanon Daily Star LONDON: Westminster Bridge attacker Khalid Masood sent a WhatsApp message that cannot be accessed because it was encrypted by the popular messaging service, a top British security official said Sunday. British press reports suggest Masood used the easily available messaging service just minutes before starting a rampage Wednesday that left three pedestrians and one police officer dead and dozens more wounded, including some with catastrophic injuries. Home Secretary Amber Rudd used appearances on BBC and Sky News to urge WhatsApp and other encrypted services to make their platforms accessible to intelligence services and police trying to carrying out lawful eavesdropping. "We need to make sure that organizations like WhatsApp - and there are plenty of others like that - don't provide a secret place for terrorists to communicate with each other," she said. Rudd did not provide any details about Masood's use of WhatsApp, saying only "this terrorist sent a WhatsApp message and it can't be accessed." But her call for a "back door" system to allow authorities to access information is likely to be met with resistance throughout the industry. In the United States, Apple fought the FBI's request for the passcodes needed to unlock an iPhone that had been used by one of the perpetrators in the 2015 extremist attack on San Bernardino, California. Masood drove a rented SUV into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge before smashing it into Parliament's gates and rushing onto the grounds, where he stabbed a policeman to death before he was shot dead. A detailed police reconstruction has found the entire attack lasted 82 seconds. Police say he acted alone but they are trying to pinpoint his motive and identify any possible accomplices, making the WhatsApp message a potential clue to his state of mind and his social media contacts. Rudd said attacks like Masood's would be easier to prevent if authorities could penetrate encrypted services after obtaining a warrant similar to the ones used to listen in on telephone calls or - in snail mail days - steam open letters and read their contents. Without a change in the system, she said terrorists would be able to communicate with each other without fear of being overheard even in cases where a legal warrant has been obtained. Rudd also urged technology companies to do a better job at preventing the publication of material that promotes extremism. She plans to meet with firms Thursday in a bid to set up an industry board that would take steps to make the web less useful to extremists. British police investigating the attack say they still believe Masood, a 52-year-old Briton, acted alone and say they have no indications that further attacks are planned. Deputy Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said it may never be possible to fully determine Masood's motives. "That understanding may have died with him," Basu said Saturday night as police appealed for people who knew Masood or saw him to contact investigators. "Even if he acted alone in the preparation, we need to establish with absolute clarity why he did these unspeakable acts, to bring reassurance to Londoners." ISIS, which is losing territory in Iraq and Syria but still has radical followers in other parts of the world, has claimed Masood was a "soldier" carrying out its wishes to attack Western countries. Masood had convictions for violent crimes in the U.K. and spent time in prison. He also worked in Saudi Arabia teaching English for two years and traveled there again in 2015 on a visa designed for religious pilgrimages. One 58-year-old man remains in custody in the case after being arrested in Birmingham, where Masood had been living. He has not been charged or named. Nine others arrested after the assault have been freed without charges and one has been freed on bail. The family of slain police officer Keith Palmer, meanwhile, released a statement thanking those who tried to save his life. "There was nothing more you could have done. You did your best and we are just grateful he was not alone," the statement said. http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2017/Mar-26/399279-uk-attacker-used-w...
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Rudd said attacks like Masood's would be easier to prevent if authorities could penetrate encrypted services after obtaining a warrant similar to the ones used to listen in on telephone calls or - in snail mail days - steam open letters and read their contents.
I saw this same claim in a story elsewhere. Apparently he sent the WhatsApp message 2 minutes before the attack started. Seems unlikely that a letter sent minutes before would be found and steamed open in time to stop the attack (unless the culprit is being actively followed). Similarly, unless they're actively watching the guy's WhatsApp (and from other reporting, it sounds like they were aware of him, but he wasn't of much interest and wasn't under surveillance), it still wouldn't have stopped the attack. 2 minutes notice is better than nothing, but it's still not a lot of time to deploy countermeasures, especially given he's unlikely to have sent details of his plan in that message. It's more likely to be a confirmation that he was about to proceed. Access is obviously more helpful in the post-mortem, and when looking for co-conspirators who might be planning another attack, but it's still a case of fucking everyone over in order to spy on a few (assuming it even stays that well constrained).
British police investigating the attack say they still believe Masood, a 52-year-old Briton, acted alone and say they have no indications that further attacks are planned.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu said it may never be possible to
fully determine Masood's motives.
"That understanding may have died with him," Basu said Saturday night as police appealed for people who knew Masood or saw him to contact investigators. "Even if he acted alone in the preparation, we need to establish with absolute clarity why he did these unspeakable acts, to bring reassurance to Londoners."
So there's a reasonable chance he didn't communicate anything useful to anyone else, so there might not be much they could have detected even with access. Again, fucking everyone over to try and target a few, potentially with no gain at the end of it. -- Ben Tasker https://www.bentasker.co.uk
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Ben Tasker <ben@bentasker.co.uk> wrote:
So there's a reasonable chance he didn't communicate anything useful to anyone else
All he said was bye to his family and allahu ackbar, via the bog standard jihadi martyrdom suicide ritual. Big fucking deal. Absolutely nothing about this event or "terrorism" is even remotely relavant compared the grand scale of thousands of innocent preventable deaths due to stupid refusal to scan everyone for medical conditions regularly by investing the $trillions wasted on expeditionary inciteful wars. Among innumerable other retarded classes of death every day.
Again, fucking everyone over to try and target a few, potentially with no gain at the end of it.
They're not targeting a few with you as mere collateral damage. Terrorism isn't shit to them. They're purposefully using the scare story of a few irrelavants precisely so they can fuck you all in the ass. If I had a nickel for every time some worthless fuckshit in Govt cried terror, I'd be fucking rich.
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