OR/WA Election System Flawed: Votes Changed by Black Hatters

Se7en

18 Oct 2020 18 Oct '20

11:13 p.m.

THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW THAT ALLOWS ANYONE TO FIND THE PERSONAL ADDRESS OF ALL REGISTERED VOTERS, ALLOWS ONE TO CANCEL VOTES, AND ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS TO ISSUE BALLOTS IN OTHER'S NAMES! This is not a joke people. Last night, black hatters successfully used the system to find the personal addresses of Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates[1]. The Black hatters then discovered a system of online voting designed for senior citizens and disableds to vote. This system was then used to cancel the ballot issued by Mayor Ted Wheeler (D, Portland) to President Donald Trump as proof of the flaws. Voter registrations were then changed for numerous individuals to change their mailing address to gibberish.[2] This is NOT A BUG, this is a DESIGN CHOICE for convenience. Furthermore, it was also brought to attention that people can email a vote in. The way the system works is that the most-recent ballot is the only valid one, and all previous ballots were canceled. This group of blackhats, posting to the 4chan board /pol/, were later suppressed and silenced. I expected this to be front-page news by morning. I see nothing of it. Shortly after this was discovered, the voting system was briefly down but restored Sunday morning. No changes were made. All one needs to do is know the Legal Name, and the birth date of the individual to find their private information. No other qualifiers are necessary. The website itself for voter registration[3] does not have a TLS Certificate, meaning the connection is insecure and any information submitted to it is vulnerable to a simple MITM attack. This is the /least/ of the problems at hand. I do not know when this system was implemented, but I believe it may have been as far-back as 2008. This should be FRONT PAGE NEWS across the entire country. I request that anyone who reads this email forward it to at least 10 more individuals to spread the word. [1] https://imgur.com/jNxdUmO.png [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujJxFVcCa0 [3] https://secure.sos.state.or.us/orestar/vr/showVoterSearch.do -- |-----/ | Se7en / The One and Only! | se7en@cock.email / | 0x0F83F93882CF6116 / | https://se7en-site.neocities.org

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Karl

19 Oct 19 Oct

1:50 a.m.

On 10/18/20, Se7en wrote:

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW ... I do not know when this system was implemented, but I believe it may have been as far-back as 2008. This should be FRONT PAGE NEWS across the entire country.

likely it is not front page news because it sounds like a serious unresolved security vulnerability. the more it spreads the more the situation worsens as people make use of it. please complain clearly and assertively to as many relevant officials as possible

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

2:17 a.m.

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW

it allows people to vote

Zenaan Harkness

4:35 a.m.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:17:05PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW

it allows people to vote

HA! [Note to self-ski, do NOT take gulp of -any- liquid before reading comrade Juan-ski's Russian comedy :D]

Karl

27 Oct 27 Oct

2:27 p.m.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:35 AM Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:17:05PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW

it allows people to vote

HA!

[Note to self-ski, do NOT take gulp of -any- liquid before reading comrade Juan-ski's Russian comedy :D]

ha! welcome to fake-dictatorship! Here we get drunk and laugh about using the weapons of the dictator to take over the world. Look I can make him burp! <friend burps> I totally trained him to do that in our spy camps.

Karl

2:55 p.m.

also to clarify here, juan wasn't making comedy. he was expressing that the usa election system is a joke, and that election systems are a joke in general. there are many, many alternatives, that don't take away as many freedoms. On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:35 AM Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:17:05PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW

it allows people to vote

HA!

[Note to self-ski, do NOT take gulp of -any- liquid before reading comrade Juan-ski's Russian comedy :D]

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

6:20 p.m.

On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:55:33 -0400 Karl wrote:

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also to clarify here, juan wasn't making comedy.

Exactly.

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he was expressing that the usa election system is a joke, and that election systems are a joke in general.

Exactly my point. Thanks Karl =)

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there are many, many alternatives, that don't take away as many freedoms.

yep. The only place I'm aware of where voting makes some sense is switzerland because there people can bypass the politicians to some extent. But still the majority gets to unfairly impose their wil on the rest of the people.

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On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:35 AM Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:17:05PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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THE OREGON AND WASHINGTON ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM HAS A MAJOR FLAW

it allows people to vote

HA!

[Note to self-ski, do NOT take gulp of -any- liquid before reading comrade Juan-ski's Russian comedy :D]

grarpamp

19 Oct 19 Oct

2:02 a.m.

While this is one instance of public proof of concept exploit, it would be foolish to think only these locations are subject. The full range of data driven and other exploits against both online and mail balloting is very large. If you can dream up a few exploits for just one system, you can bet the rest are equally exploitable, and are being exploited. Until the retarded, unfair, unfree, involuntary, sanctioned force of democracy voting (by definition the violent majority abusing the harmless minority upon threat of death), falls out of favor towards free voluntary association... The planet should move back to modified old India style... no registration, ID, or any restrictions... just chemically skin binding ink dip, hard physical ballots, human and computer countable, with a serially matching receipt suitable for revocation contingencies until tallied. Cheap, easy, reliable, has worked ever since humans decided to start voting. Just because you think you can make anything and everything in life digital, doesn't mean you should ever actually try to do it.

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I do not know when this system was implemented

Though perhaps by dumb democrats in the failed democrat run inner cities where these systems reside, lol. Try compiling a national study of who first drafted each proposal later enacted, to move places off strict physical in person... maybe you will discover some interesting pattern. Get rid of such gigantic entrenched tentacled systems of unfreedom and control... your life will have more freedom.

Karl

2:07 a.m.

Can we discuss whether trump is good or bad? Over here among the liberal-likes, there has been a lot of suffering. Like, massive harassment of people just for expressing their views. Domination of communication channels. Overt expressions of harm against large groups. People losing their lives, across the country, from new changes being made. Trump does not seem anti-government at all, over here. I haven't heard anything good _about_ trump; just a lot of assumption that he's good. _WHY_ is he good? _WHY_ do people like him and vote for him???

Karl

2:16 a.m.

when you guys have the civil war and take over the country, please give us a place to live our own ways, rather than just killing us all On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:07 PM Karl wrote:

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Can we discuss whether trump is good or bad?

Over here among the liberal-likes, there has been a lot of suffering. Like, massive harassment of people just for expressing their views. Domination of communication channels. Overt expressions of harm against large groups. People losing their lives, across the country, from new changes being made. Trump does not seem anti-government at all, over here.

I haven't heard anything good _about_ trump; just a lot of assumption that he's good. _WHY_ is he good? _WHY_ do people like him and vote for him???

Zenaan Harkness

4:33 a.m.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:16:55PM -0400, Karl wrote:

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when you guys have the civil war and take over the country, please give us a place to live our own ways, rather than just killing us all

Please. "Trump people" killing everybody? In this case clearly "the left" projects itself on "the right". Just more loopiness from the insane left, who actually declare their intention to destroy the White "nuclear family" and who openly declare "Whiteness" to be evil, to be opposed, and to be eliminated. Your thinking is muddled, not matching reality.

Zenaan Harkness

4:30 a.m.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:07:09PM -0400, Karl wrote:

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Can we discuss whether trump is good or bad?

"I've changed my mind about Trump -- Trump is a demi God :D" Is the Sun good or bad? When I'm cold, more Sun is good, and rain is bad. When I'm hot and dry in the desert, Sun is bad, rain is good. Good/Bad is often a false dichotomy. What policies are good? (E.g. reducing/eliminating certain laws, regulations, size of gov, etc.) What freedoms are good? (E.g. speech, gathering, travel, self defence, self medication, etc) A little more nuance that merely black white dichotomy may (possibly) result in the possibility of a constructive outcome...

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Over here among the liberal-likes, there has been a lot of suffering.

Today many "liberals" of even a few years ago are now branded "far right conservatives". Are you aware of this shift in "the public discourse" ?

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Like, massive harassment of people just for expressing their views.

Baseless assertion. "Conservatives", i.e. those who support Trump, including African Americans, are being targetted by so called "social justice warrior liberals" under the banners of BLM and ANTIFA. Bring a fact or expect a pointless handwaving cirlce straw man empty space.

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Domination of communication channels. Overt expressions of harm against large groups. People losing their lives, across the country, from new changes being made. Trump does not seem anti-government at all, over here.

Trump is not anti government. No one said Trump is anti government.

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I haven't heard anything good _about_ trump; just a lot of assumption that he's good. _WHY_ is he good? _WHY_ do people like him and vote for him???

For some of the things he has said. If you have not listened to anything he has said, then all you have to go on is partisan opinion porn. Do your own research if you can be bothered. Or don't, but don't complain when the opinions of "your superiors" come across contradictory and partisan... Good luck,

Karl

27 Oct 27 Oct

2:25 p.m.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:30 AM Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:07:09PM -0400, Karl wrote:

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Can we discuss whether trump is good or bad?

"I've changed my mind about Trump -- Trump is a demi God :D"

Is the Sun good or bad?

When I'm cold, more Sun is good, and rain is bad.

When I'm hot and dry in the desert, Sun is bad, rain is good.

Good/Bad is often a false dichotomy.

I agree with you here strongly around nondichotomy. _everything has context_. I feel a little mean to your politics, to hear you expressing what I believe. What's relevent is that our contextual needs are not being honored, and mine are different from yours.

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What policies are good? (E.g. reducing/eliminating certain laws, regulations, size of gov, etc.)

When considering what policy is good, I would consider whom it most impacts. What would you consider?

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What freedoms are good? (E.g. speech, gathering, travel, self defence, self medication, etc)

What freedoms do you consider good? I would consider it good for people to not only have complete freedom, but importantly also hold the responsibility of defending the freedoms of others. Please verify you received my reply regarding why an assertion of harassment isn't baseless, below. Some may consider that responsibility to involve limiting some freedoms.

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A little more nuance that merely black white dichotomy may (possibly) result in the possibility of a constructive outcome...

mmm good thought

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Over here among the liberal-likes, there has been a lot of suffering.

Today many "liberals" of even a few years ago are now branded "far right conservatives".

Are you aware of this shift in "the public discourse" ?

It seems these years it goes both ways: branding of both sides as more extremely different than ever before. Do you disagree? Naive leftist dialogue: Are you aware of the form of "left" and "right" politics, where "right" is the beliefs of the old leaders, and "left" is the beliefs of the new? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#History If you view left as the young and right as the old, it aligns with a constant slow trend towards the left, which doesn't stop because it's not a straight line: what is new keeps changing. To speak from the far-left, liberals were never leftists.

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Like, massive harassment of people just for expressing their views.

Please verify you recieved my reply to your next expression.

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Baseless assertion.

This simply isn't baseless. We have scads of personal experience and records of people specifically saying they were doing this. We have video of many people being killed this year. CAN YOU VERIFY YOU RECIEVED THE ABOVE LINE PLEASE?

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"Conservatives", i.e. those who support Trump, including African Americans, are being targetted by so called "social justice warrior liberals" under the banners of BLM and ANTIFA.

You and I have both expressed blame for other groups. Can you acknowledge with me that people have harmed others, and we must act to make it right? Can we still make decisions, knowing these things are true?

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Bring a fact or expect a pointless handwaving cirlce straw man empty space.

Please verify my request above. But I am totally fine with handwaving spaces, because I am trying to share understanding, not form logical proofs that life and conflict exist, which is obvious. Two or more groups are fighting for their values. They have been fighting hard because talking was not working.

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Domination of communication channels. Overt expressions of harm against large groups. People losing their lives, across the country, from new changes being made. Trump does not seem anti-government at all, over here.

Trump is not anti government.

No one said Trump is anti government.

Eh, that idea was what I liked about 'im.

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I haven't heard anything good _about_ trump; just a lot of assumption that he's good. _WHY_ is he good? _WHY_ do people like him and vote for him???

For some of the things he has said. If you have not listened to anything he has said, then all you have to go on is partisan opinion porn.

Trump doesn't seem to say anything that is _consistent_, the things I am able to see him saying. I don't know how to understand him. What do people like about what he says?

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Do your own research if you can be bothered. Or don't, but don't complain when the opinions of "your superiors" come across contradictory and partisan...

I am looking for what is real, not what some purchased marketing algorithm inside google or some other corporate server shows me.

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Good luck,

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