[ot)[crazy] dissociated weeping regarding communication censorship
it’s so confusing that i don’t see comments on randall’s twitter regarding slack and discord and the support of user-run instances
i’m not expecting our communications to be censored, certainly not with associated mind control or anything preventing discussion or cognition
i don’t know if it’s communication censorship. it could be other things. in case it is communication censorship, maybe it would be nice for me to sequentially sign message threads or something
maybe i’ll make a twitter account and ask them what’s up i could ask every time i go to check xkcd i think i live near some xkcd communities too
i found the chatroom [10:11:17] visitor: hi #xkcd ...i am so confused about #2699 . what boxes do other people see checked? am i getting a fake comic? do discord and slack support user-run instances now? [10:11:58] visitor: i don't understand that randall would check these boxes. is he making a joke about people being forced to lie to support corporate marketing? [10:12:36] visitor: i don't see any comments about these in the twitter comments i've looked at either; people noticed mastodon but not slack and discord. this is why i think i might be getting a fake comic.
[10:18:25] Thedarkb-Work: You're reading too much into a competing definition of "user run instance". [10:18:25] tech_exorcist: hi visitor! you may want to check explainxkcd.com (not run by us) [10:19:29] visitor: been there. i participate. so you guys are claiming there is some definition of user run instances where it is _actually_ a feature of slack, discord, and reddit? [10:19:48] visitor: user-run instances is a phrase _specifically_ used to refer to other services than those
[10:22:17] visitor: sorry for disconnecting, been ages since i used irc, need a bouncer ... [10:22:25] visitor: anyway it sounds like randall is in trouble??? [10:22:47] tech_exorcist: wdym? [10:23:08] visitor: because he posted a comic he would never post [10:23:21] visitor: either that or we all are, for thinking it's not incredibly sarcastic? [10:23:27] @Kalium: visitor: do not go weird kpop stan on webcomic authors [10:23:33] visitor: wdym? [10:23:56] tech_exorcist: https://explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2699:_Feature_Comparison [10:23:59] @Kalium: jumping to "there is a problem" from "slightly weird phrasing" is a colossal leap [10:24:12] visitor: this is not fucking slightly weird phrasing [10:24:26] @Kalium: given that reddit is also included in user-run instances I guess it means more "users moderate some parts" [10:24:30] visitor: randall made a multi year comic supporting free software culture [10:24:37] visitor: that is not what fucking user run instances means [10:26:02] @Kalium: it's a strange way to say it but like. what possible "trouble" could he be in that the appropriate response is "post an incorrect webcomic about it" [10:26:48] visitor: i dunno, something where somebody else is making h8 [10:26:57] visitor: i*making him post it? [10:27:06] visitor: i thought maybe somebody here would know what's up [10:27:20] tech_exorcist: i highly doubt he would be forced to post an inaccurate comic [10:27:26] @Charlie: what supervillain do you think takes webcomic authors hostage and forces them to post new comics that might contain coded messages about the hostage situation? [10:27:47] tech_exorcist: and this channel has been unrelated to the comic for years now, i think it's still linked to somewhere on xkcd.com but it's probably a mistake [10:27:47] visitor: dude i don't know but we did just go through an infowar and he has a lot of readers [10:28:01] visitor: oh damn [10:28:02] Bucket: Those consarn beavers are at it again! [10:28:10] tech_exorcist: and even if he is being held hostage by a supervillain, we have no clue [10:28:25] visitor: i just want to know what is real [10:28:29] visitor: thanks for your patience [10:29:00] tech_exorcist: the reality is that Randall posted a comic which contains inaccurate information, but saying that he was forced to do so is only speculation [10:29:45] tech_exorcist: (btw, Bucket is a bot) [10:29:47] visitor: not sure why that matters [10:29:54] visitor: hahaha thank you [10:31:03] visitor: so you know, the culture of his comic was completely counter to those Xs. it's not a mistake he would make unintentionally. [10:34:26] Bucket: tungsten is nearly as dense as @zigdon! [10:34:49] Thedarkb-Work: He might mean user moderated when he says "user run instances", it's an ambiguous term that you seem to be conflating with "user hosted instances". [10:35:16] visitor: an instance of a service is what is hosted [10:35:56] tech_exorcist: the comic compares 11 platforms, which he may not know all that well, and if you have to compare 8 features across up to 11 platforms you don't know well at all while also staying within a schedule of 3 comics/week while also having a personal life you don't have a lot of time [10:36:22] visitor: i will wait for a reply from somebody is who is not focused on convincing me to ig ore i [10:36:36] visitor: *to ignore the glaring errors [10:36:58] tech_exorcist: and the twitter mess has only been unfolding since very recently, so there wasn't all that time to do research to publish a comic relevant to current affairs about a topic he *may* not have known well [10:37:12] visitor: fuck you [10:37:14] Bucket: $ejaculation [10:37:29] Thedarkb-Work: Which is code for "I won't let go of my paranoid delusion about the significance of one word in a comic about a the fucking Cybiko" [10:37:29] tech_exorcist: nobody here is going to be able to give you a precise answer that isn't wild speculation [10:37:49] visitor: you [10:37:51] Thedarkb-Work: Remove the a from that quote. [10:38:11] visitor: leave us alone [10:38:13] Thedarkb-Work: You're either deluded or a troll, either way, can someone get rid? [10:38:33] visitor: i am curious whether the trolls are mods [10:39:48] « Charlie kicked visitor from the channel (good luck with everything) it’s sad that i acted angry and swore. not who i want to be.
[10:51:47] visitor: thanks for your kind kick message. i always feel sad when i get rude and then kicked and banned. any behavior promises i could make to undo it? dunno if my client will stay connected tho
[10:53:12] tech_exorcist has userhost ~exorcist@8390F279.8CEF68CD.3E215F7B.IP and real name "tech_exorcist " [10:53:12] tech_exorcist is identified for this nick [10:53:12] tech_exorcist is Opped in #linguistics-ops #linguistics #xkcd-chill - Half Opped in #compsci - Member in #xkcd #bucketlog [10:53:12] tech_exorcist is connected on wurst.slashnet.org (SlashNET - Frankfurt - DE) [10:53:12] tech_exorcist is using a Secure Connection [10:53:12] tech_exorcist signed on at November 21, 2022 at 9:02:05 EST and has been idle for 10 minutes, 5 seconds [10:54:33] Charlie: generally speaking there's a cooling-off period. i'd be prepared to unban you tomorrow, but i'd need you to avoid trying to speculate on hidden messages, randall's personal situation, or stuff like that. to be blunt, we've had people come in here during mental health crises in the past and it's resulted in major incidents, which we're not equipped to handle, so our policy is to act early [10:54:51] visitor: thanks man
[10:55:33] Charlie: np [10:56:29] Thedarkb-Work has userhost ~Thedarkb@A2C134FF.85C5A5B7.E12B8634.IP and real name "realname " [10:56:29] Thedarkb-Work is Member in #xkcd [10:56:29] Thedarkb-Work is connected on wonder.slashnet.org (SlashNET - Ohio - US) [10:56:29] Thedarkb-Work signed on at November 21, 2022 at 7:35:35 EST and has been idle for 10 minutes, 15 seconds [10:57:21] Charlie has userhost ~cco@parl.gc.ca and real name "Tommy Douglas " [10:57:21] Charlie is identified for this nick [10:57:21] Charlie is Opped in #pugglewump #xkcd-sciencefiction #xkcd - Member in #cts [10:57:21] Charlie is connected on moo.slashnet.org ( To err is human, to moo bovine. ) [10:57:21] Charlie is a Network Administrator [10:57:21] Charlie is available for help. [10:57:21] Charlie is using a Secure Connection [10:57:21] Charlie signed on at November 18, 2022 at 8:00:51 EST and has been idle for 1 minute, 48 seconds
here’s my own whois info too: [11:02:00] visitor has userhost ~igloo@cloak-61F7B9A6.bstnma.fios.verizon.net and real name "Igloo User " [11:02:00] visitor is connecting from *@pool-108-26-225-121.bstnma.fios.verizon.net 108.26.225.121 [11:02:00] visitor is connected on spaniels.slashnet.org (SlashNET - London - UK) [11:02:00] visitor is using a Secure Connection [11:02:00] visitor signed on at November 21, 2022 at 10:51:43 EST and has been idle for 7 minutes, 9 seconds
i found a tweet reply about it! so maybe just randall’s primary twitter followers aren’t big on such things; they’re using twitter after all https://twitter.com/agowa338/status/1593205327461482496?s=20&t=zoPFhajW-cteHaPAyj2Dmg
If you count discord, slack, and reddit as "user-run instances", then so does twitter, fb, signal, ...
here we go! https://twitter.com/it_czas_dzialac/status/1593211184324673537?s=20&t=zoPFhajW-cteHaPAyj2Dmg Internet. Czas działać! 🌎 @it_czas_dzialac · Nov 17 Replying to @xkcd Discord doesn't have user-run instances. They have groups that they wrongly call "Servers". Mastodon should have a check in both the "User-run instances" and "Doesn't require central server" rows. It's no less decentralized than IRC. 2 1 41 Daniel Morgenstern @dmstern@berlin.social @d_mstern · Nov 17 Replying to @it_czas_dzialac and @xkcd This!!! 🙏 Non-techies seem to think they have control over their own Discord "server" which is completely wrong. All data are stored on Discord's server infrastructure and partly are even accessible without any user-restrictions. 1 18 Next for me is this one, which strangely doesn’t mention Slack, and strangely has no replies from other people: DFYX @dfyx · Nov 17 Replying to @xkcd I'd be careful with "user-run instances" for Discord and Reddit. While there are user-moderated sub-communities, you still don't have full control over the instance and are at the mercy of their admins (though in practice, at least Discord seems to be pretty hands-off) 1 6 DFYX @dfyx · Nov 17 Replying to @dfyx and @xkcd Reddit used to be open source and there are a few small user-run instances but they have stopped published their changes in 2017.
The reddit source code is at https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit !!!!!!! next: slack and discord i will be pretty surprised if discord source or such is available, but it could be!
Mark @the_adept · Nov 17 Replying to @xkcd beautiful... slack has user run instances what. haha 伏藏龙 @AquaSeaWing · Nov 17 Automated Replying to @xkcd Wait discord dosent have user run stuff it still on discord run servers 1 ⛵🐠🐠🐟🐟 𝕤𝕖𝒶 ϻⒶ几 🐠🐠🐟🐟 😈💣 @iPlayWithSeaman · Nov 17 Replying to @AquaSeaWing and @xkcd @AquaSeaWing DM me please... So maybe people are talking about this privately or something.
Orange Jacket Guy @Boise1932 · Nov 17 Replying to @xkcd and @nixcraft SMS still requires a wireless carrier This guy redid it to be correct: https://twitter.com/McMattia_98/status/1593361145473163265?s=20&t=L0krL4BYW3ruqQ6iFXV11A Should be more like this. Discord, Slack and Reddit do not allow you to run your own instances and Mastodon doesn't require a central server. Maybe needs some other adjustments. twitter, for me, does not make it easy to figure out and find this stuff whew though, alternate comic. good thing.
[10:35:56] tech_exorcist: the comic compares 11 platforms, which he may not know all that well, and if you have to compare 8 features across up to 11 platforms you don't know well at all while also staying within a schedule of 3 comics/week while also having a personal life you don't have a lot of time
the thing is, randall makes it obvious in the comic that he knows what he is talking about. for example, he includes “mesh networking”, a major desired feature of peer to peer communication clients that are actually based on user-run instances
maybe a cool internet media portal would be on that tries to avoid everything weird or irrational or disinfoy or whatever. something where it’s all cryptosigned and if something could end up being influenced by a major power play, it’s updated to be more rational, with a revision history like, the total opposite of mcboss. just rational stuff.
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