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Steven Schear

27 Dec 2020 27 Dec '20

10:32 a.m.

The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.) OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike. https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

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Zenaan Harkness

27 Dec 27 Dec

11:12 a.m.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:32:43AM +0000, Steven Schear wrote:

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The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.)

OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike.

https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

Apropos. And a nice "new" fallacy to chew on.

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From the glaff hass full dept., "robust use of ad-homs, abundant epithets and threats" ... strengthens one's fire suit - demands it really :D

Problem 'ere is, if we oughtn't immediately end discussions with a simple thought terminating cliché, some discussion threads might actually carry on ridiculously - you know, like for more than two emails (the humble and flawed OP, and of course the thought terminating cliché reply). Then the archives would be an absolute mess... Free monocles and encrusted silver handled walking sticks for all. For all cognitive dissonance avoiders that is… especially a full set for those with an abnormal appetite for botox.

Karl

1:57 p.m.

Zenaan, I see you pretending to be a real hacker! I will reply to you to harass you, just like one should do to real hackers! On 12/27/20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:32:43AM +0000, Steven Schear wrote:

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The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.)

OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike.

https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

Apropos. And a nice "new" fallacy to chew on.

From the glaff hass full dept., "robust use of ad-homs, abundant epithets and threats" ... strengthens one's fire suit - demands it really :D

Problem 'ere is, if we oughtn't immediately end discussions with a simple thought terminating cliché, some discussion threads might actually carry on ridiculously - you know, like for more than two emails (the humble and flawed OP, and of course the thought terminating cliché reply).

Then the archives would be an absolute mess...

Free monocles and encrusted silver handled walking sticks for all. For all cognitive dissonance avoiders that is… especially a full set for those with an abnormal appetite for botox.

Zenaan Harkness

28 Dec 28 Dec

2:50 a.m.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 08:57:51AM -0500, Karl wrote:

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Zenaan, I see you pretending to be a real hacker! I will reply to you to harass you, just like one should do to real hackers!

That's offensive. Why are you choosing to be offensive towards me?

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On 12/27/20, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:32:43AM +0000, Steven Schear wrote:

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The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.)

OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike.

https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

Apropos. And a nice "new" fallacy to chew on.

From the glaff hass full dept., "robust use of ad-homs, abundant epithets and threats" ... strengthens one's fire suit - demands it really :D

Problem 'ere is, if we oughtn't immediately end discussions with a simple thought terminating cliché, some discussion threads might actually carry on ridiculously - you know, like for more than two emails (the humble and flawed OP, and of course the thought terminating cliché reply).

Then the archives would be an absolute mess...

Free monocles and encrusted silver handled walking sticks for all. For all cognitive dissonance avoiders that is… especially a full set for those with an abnormal appetite for botox.

Karl

27 Dec 27 Dec

1:53 p.m.

On 12/27/20, Steven Schear wrote:

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The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.)

What do the real cypherpunks need from the troll communities? If we could change how things are going? Like, we might be able to bully each other away from or towards one or two specific behaviors or something, sometimes.

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OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike.

https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

Zenaan Harkness

28 Dec 28 Dec

2:44 a.m.

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 08:53:12AM -0500, Karl wrote:

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could change how things are going? Like, we might be able to bully each other away from or towards one or two specific behaviors or

There's no need for bullying when we can be civil to one another.

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0

27 Dec 27 Dec

6:57 p.m.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:32:43 +0000 Steven Schear wrote:

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The inability or unwillingness of some to deal with their cognitive dissonance.

Indeed, but 'cognitive dissonance' is an euphemism for crass lack of consistency. This list is a collection of right wingers posing as 'libertarians', or outright government agents. There is of course complete 'cognitive dissonance' in people who are 'trump supporters' or call for government surveillance like jim bell does because of the fake flu 'pandemic'. And you yourself are just another example of such self-parody, to wit : Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:50:03 +0100 you wrote "Many of the problems of police enforcement, especially unwarranted violence, cannot be solved until the human officers are replaced by androids." You are calling for automated fascism in the 'anarchist' 'cypherpunk' mailing list. You reach infinite self-parody. Yeah 'cognitive disonance'.

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Although this situation has existed since early list days, I think it's become all too common and driven away the best and brightest who use to hang out here. (I'm expecting an almost immediate knee-jerk or ad hominem from the few here who are the most frequent practitioners of this form of fear-based bullying.)

OG Cypherpunk Paul Rosenberg, once again, drops the mike.

https://freemansperspective.com/fallacy-10-the-thought-terminating-cliche/

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