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Marina Brown

4 Jan 2018 4 Jan '18

5:52 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 01/03/2018 02:35 PM, g2s wrote:

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Marina Brown wrote:

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I stand with Ceci.

I'll take her light hearted fun stuff over the far right babblings that have pushed decent discussion off this list for the most part.

How did we get to this point ?

--- Marina

AnarchoCap/So-called "libertarian" infestation. They attract fascists and nazis because they share an underlying ideology, despite their bleatings to the contrary.

Rr

Yep.... The far right libertarians like Hoppe don't even care about personal freedom, just property. He is the bridge that has carried a lot of libertarians into fascism. ...And the monarchists, WTF ??!!! They might do well under a good king but the possibility of harm with a tyrant is unimaginable with modern surveillance and police tactics. - --- Marina -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEEo8txa89xQ0v6g7ID+f9jkVc9tEIFAlpNwRIACgkQ+f9jkVc9 tEKUygwAoPaHFVm7W6rR+gUZzr8pD1HoQukbQPexd9GkC6eXSD08OXZpIGtheoCi yitytqEjPVjbYb1pf1VeNDR8hHX5bpzzR0T2E3JF3w3r8mTZqXSn/V2IlA59QSbN DcacZgP9Jo+DLMGrtcspItOrSQeYvt912KQe4XoQegYHwbMFUrqw2viGqNxIriVI r2PiT5IV+uCT6qbYJNRfsT7b3UaITlNErL9tt4OCc3/S8Cg6LYJKB5A7SBTmR1jm eT6xcXPajfcLCBm1J0o7Mu0yqht58afn/a7tgqRNUj63mA/cubYg1uYdJLb/IDms uo8C/4X4Ai4X5vZhWjUGq5lTwAK43FL98pbnkFP01w6l22yIFBth+opSLZ+VUUij vLbjy2W+q13Wwg5w8g78edGdVWUnOxi7k6CNojOZeqE/Ckn9T9kCouMthYJOXVdQ 5g0LT3gO3GHOP1F7uE/oCKHMzYfudmgFgrXj2hbW0nOn7a8AgbG2RBymT415w9S2 DY49Z+9L =3Axt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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jim bell

4 Jan 4 Jan

8:47 a.m.

New subject: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 9:51:25 PM PST, Marina Brown wrote: On 01/03/2018 02:35 PM, g2s wrote:

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Marina Brown wrote:

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I stand with Ceci.

I'll take her light hearted fun stuff over the far right babblings that have pushed decent discussion off this list for the most part.

How did we get to this point ?

--- Marina

AnarchoCap/So-called "libertarian" infestation. They attract fascists and nazis because they share an underlying ideology, despite their bleatings to the contrary.

Rr

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Yep.... The far right libertarians like Hoppe

Uh, pardon me, but how can you refer to people as "far right libertarians"? Do you know nothing of the Nolan Chart, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart and the World's Smallest Political Quiz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart . "Far right libertarians" is dangerously close to being an oxymoron. "Rightward libertarians" is plausible. However, I laugh equally at "far-left Anarchists". If being an "Anarchist" means that you want no government, then how does that square with "far left"? "Far left" people seem generally to want to enforce their "far left" ideas with a "far left" government. To that, I'd say that you can either have "Anarchist" or "far left", not both. A truly "far-left Anarchist" would not only be very confused, but also very frustrated: He can't form the government that enforces his "far left" feelings dictate. Jim Bell

jamesd＠echeque.com

10:52 a.m.

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On 1/4/2018 6:47 PM, jim bell wrote:

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Do you know nothing of the Nolan Chart,

Nolan chart has been rendered irrelevant by the fact that the left is no longer stirring up anger, violence, and disorder on the basis of theft and covetousness, and no longer trying to tribalize people by their relationship to the means of production, but is instead stirring up anger, violence, and disorder directly on the basis of tribalism, and attempting to ginger up every tribal conflict it can find. And, human nature being what it is, it can find plenty.

Marina Brown

5:49 p.m.

New subject: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 01/04/2018 03:47 AM, jim bell wrote:

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On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 9:51:25 PM PST, Marina Brown wrote:

On 01/03/2018 02:35 PM, g2s wrote:

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Marina Brown wrote:

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I stand with Ceci.

I'll take her light hearted fun stuff over the far right babblings that have pushed decent discussion off this list for the most part.

How did we get to this point ?

--- Marina

AnarchoCap/So-called "libertarian" infestation. They attract fascists and nazis because they share an underlying ideology, despite their bleatings to the contrary.

Rr

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Yep.... The far right libertarians like Hoppe

Uh, pardon me, but how can you refer to people as "far right libertarians"? Do you know nothing of the Nolan Chart, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart, and the World's Smallest Political Quiz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart .

"Far right libertarians" is dangerously close to being an oxymoron. "Rightward libertarians" is plausible.

OK - i forgot the scare quotes. I was thinking of Hoppe and his former fan Cantwell. The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear. The folks i mean care only for private property and don't seem to care if a restrictive dystopia results. - From now on i will use scare quotes. - --- Marin

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However, I laugh equally at "far-left Anarchists". If being an "Anarchist" means that you want no government, then how does that square with "far left"? "Far left" people seem generally to want to enforce their "far left" ideas with a "far left" government. To that, I'd say that you can either have "Anarchist" or "far left", not both. A truly "far-left Anarchist" would not only be very confused, but also very frustrated: He can't form the government that enforces his "far left" feelings dictate.

Jim Bell

jamesd＠echeque.com

9:01 p.m.

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On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

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The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear.

You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman to stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father without being capriciously and whimsically murdered for being white. I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing the Bay Area because of political repression and tribal violence. Is this not a restriction on personal liberty and freedom of travel? Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built the Berlin wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people - for much the same reasons as East Germany did.

Steve Kinney

7 Jan 7 Jan

9:04 p.m.

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On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:

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On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

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The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear.

You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman to stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father without being capriciously and whimsically murdered for being white.

I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing the Bay Area because of political repression and tribal violence. Is this not a restriction on personal liberty and freedom of travel?

Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built the Berlin wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people - for much the same

Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and snivel regardless: Because I Feared For My Life is their license to kill niggers and other Inferior Others (or hire it done via municipal police forces) "on a whim." They /cultivate/ fear and contempt for their imagined racial inferiors, because every person who gets stomped down for not being "white like me" is one less economic and social competitor. There's nothing wrong with folks like "jamesd" that adult supervision from alert neighbors - and arming their potential victims just in case - can't keep under control. The whining, whimpering, sniveling "professional victims" never use violence under circumstances where there is a chance that they will face effective resistance, or retaliation in kind. They want helpless victims only.

jamesd＠echeque.com

8 Jan 8 Jan

12:24 a.m.

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On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

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The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear.

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On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:

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You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman to stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father without being capriciously and whimsically murdered for being white.

I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing the Bay Area because of political repression and tribal violence. Is this not a restriction on personal liberty and freedom of travel?

Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built > > the Berlin wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people - for much the same reasons On 1/8/2018 7:04 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and snivel regardless: Because I Feared For My Life is their license to kill niggers and other Inferior Others

If black people were being unreasonably killed by white people, or in the past used to be unreasonably killed by white people, you would have better poster boys than Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till. And if women could do science, you would have better poster girls the Marie Curie. And if white frat boys were raping coeds, you would have better poster girls than Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum.

Steve Kinney

1:42 a.m.

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On 01/07/2018 07:24 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote:

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On 1/5/2018 3:49 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

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The phenomenon i am talking about are "libertarians" who > > don't care about personal liberty, freedom to travel, > > and other stuff most of us on this list hold dear.

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You don't seem terribly keen on the right of a white woman > to stroll along the San Francisco dock with her father > without being capriciously and whimsically murdered for being white.

I see a whole lot of Silicon Valley's best people fleeing > the Bay Area because of political repression and tribal violence. > Is this not a restriction on personal liberty and freedom of travel?

Silicon Valley, like East Germany before the communists built > >

On 01/04/2018 04:01 PM, jamesd@echeque.com wrote: the Berlin wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people

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wall, is suffering massive loss of its best people > - for much the same reasons On 1/8/2018 7:04 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: Whining, whimpering, sniveling cowards are gonna whine, whimper and snivel regardless: Because I Feared For My Life is their license to kill niggers and other Inferior Others

If black people were being unreasonably killed by white people, or in the past used to be unreasonably killed by white people, you would have better poster boys than Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till.

And if women could do science, you would have better poster girls the Marie Curie.

And if white frat boys were raping coeds, you would have better poster girls than Jackie Coakley and Crystal Mangum.

Don't need "poster boys" and grrlz when we got folks who happily volunteer to make racists look like exactly what they are: Net total losers. As in, weak minded "born inferior" individuals. Some of them may have IQ scores in the triple digits, but the motivational basis of their personalities remains infantile. There's no fixing that. I <3 the way 2017's big recruitment push by the alt-Reich ended in ignominious defeat: Your team folded up like a house of cards, due in large part to the shallow, neurotic basis of your leadership cadres' organizational thinking and methods. It doesn't help that so many of them present as natural born poster children for the "white trash" stereotype. After Charlottesville, spontaneous public turnouts against publicly announced NeoNazi / KKK events outnumbered organized "Antifa" formation turnouts by about 100 to 1. Whine, whimper and snivel all you want: No matter how brave vs. arrogant a face you put on it, losers are losers and a continued commitment to failure impresses nobody but your fellow dead enders. :o)

jamesd＠echeque.com

3:06 a.m.

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On 1/8/2018 11:42 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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After Charlottesville, spontaneous public turnouts against publicly announced NeoNazi / KKK events outnumbered organized "Antifa" formation turnouts by about 100 to 1.

Not what I see. The ability of State Department NGOs to hire rentamobs to demand that the government does what it wants to do is collapsing, as Trump reduces their NGO funding. He has not reduced by much, but even a small reduction has a large effect, because most of the money winds up being stolen by high placed leftists, rather than used to hire the river of meat. The mobs are financed by what is left over, and a small reduction in the total means a large reduction in what is available to hire mobs. Consider, for example, the mighty mob that protested the Keystone pipeline under Obama. Remember all those mighty and entirely spontaneous protests demanding that the Obama regime do what it quite obviously wanted to do and was quite obviously looking for justifications for doing, protests demanding that the government block every form of energy production in every white country, which obstructions have made the US into an energy importer for sixty years or so. And, of course, with deep reluctance the Obama regime would invariably yield to the justified and entirely spontaneous and genuine rage of the mighty masses. </sarcasm> Overnight (well, over the first one hundred and fifty days of the Trump regime), the US became an energy exporter. Trump would repeal a regulation by executive order, and the next day coal miners would be digging coal, repeal another regulation, and the next day drillers would be pumping oil. One day he makes an executive order, the next day Americans in flyover country are back to work. The next day after that he makes another executive order, and the day after that, more Americans in flyover country are back to work. You did not hear of this. Probably because the mighty and justifiable enraged masses strangely failed to spontaneously show up to spontaneously demonstrate their might and spontaneous justified rage. They were always demanding that Obama shut down energy, but somehow, when Trump turns the energy policy of every previous Democratic and cuckservative president for the last sixty years arse over tit, no protests happen. Funny thing that. By increasing jobs in flyover country, and decreasing jobs in the big urban centers (his current tax bill soaks the big Democratic Party cities) Trump ensures that white males move to places where their votes are likely to make a difference, while the people living on crime and welfare are in big cities, which will vote democrat by ten to one, instead of five to one, so that though Democrats continue to import people to live on crime and welfare and voting Democrat, they don't actually effect the election outcome all that much, being wasted in voting districts that are already overwhelmingly Democratic. Obama attempted to dump Islamic terrorists imported from Somalia on marginal electorates in flyover country, with some success, but they tended to up stakes and head for the bright lights of the big city, a far from marginal electorate.

Zenaan Harkness

5 Jan 5 Jan

7:36 a.m.

New subject: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 08:47:51AM +0000, jim bell wrote:

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Yep.... The far right libertarians like Hoppe

Uh, pardon me, but how can you refer to people as "far right libertarians"? Do you know nothing of the Nolan Chart, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart and the World's Smallest Political Quiz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart .

"Far right libertarians" is dangerously close to being an oxymoron. "Rightward libertarians" is plausible.

However, I laugh equally at "far-left Anarchists". If being an "Anarchist" means that you want no government, then how does that square with "far left"? "Far left" people seem generally to want to enforce their "far left" ideas with a "far left" government. To that, I'd say that you can either have "Anarchist" or "far left", not both. A truly "far-left Anarchist" would not only be very confused, but also very frustrated: He can't form the government that enforces his "far left" feelings dictate.

:D :D Gold! Thank you Jim, made my day :) Perhaps some of us should ask something like "how much of our world view, our beliefs, and indeed our thinking and conceptual processes themselves, are mere conditioning of those who own, control and run the Marvellous Main Stream Media truth organisations, banks and university intake departments? For the word challenged: how conditioned are we by our financial overlords?

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