On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 00:56:44 -0500 grarpamp wrote:

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Not too off topic, I daresay. But we can make it a lot more on topic. 'cypherpunks' should stop wasting time trying to encrypt email and should start building missiles instead. DIY missiles would cause a real shift in power.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 15:11:06 +0100 rysiek wrote:

Dnia niedziela, 20 grudnia 2015 03:36:03 juan pisze:

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On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 00:56:44 -0500

grarpamp wrote:

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OFFTOPIC

Not too off topic, I daresay.

But we can make it a lot more on topic. 'cypherpunks' should stop wasting time trying to encrypt email and should start building missiles instead. DIY missiles would cause a real shift in power.

The "rocketpunk" mailing list is that way. --->

Amd what's the way for state apologists unable to put 2+2 together?

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:45:01PM +0000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

For those who want some practical experience in an all weapons allowed, relatively large, politically anarchist, not quite a state, Rojava is your destination :)

And those Kurdish women - they are worth fighting for. I posted a succinct summary video in another thread - for the lazy, CcLPyfgXBAk is your ID.

Enjoy your rockets, PUNKS! Z

Lol, rocket punks trolling each other with missiles and/or EM weapons, I would try to avoid places like this. Song: http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/statusquo/inthearmynow.html --- A vacation in a foreign land, Uncle Sam does the best he can You're in the army now, oh-oo-oh you're in the army now ... Missiles flying over your head, if you want to survive get out of bed You're in the army now, oh-oo-oh you're in the army now --- Merry Christmas and all the best in 2016!

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2015-12-25 1:54 GMT+02:00 Tomas Overdrive Petru : I was ever interested why Russia tend to support other side. Again and again and again. That is something I'm thinking for years. Whenever some dictatorship with idea to persecute singing and dancing occur around the globe, Russia is there to help. Question is and was: why? [as usual]. IMHO it is just cynical point of view of rocket businessman nobody wants to buy from and political reasons are at 2nd place, but its possible I'm wrong. In my country Russia tend do do whatever possible to get to power again, and fact is, that "ostalgia" is helping them, IMHO interim state of mind of my fellow citizens but imho dangerous too.

So fuck this unclear propaganda and not really technical and hacker-like propaganda blog, or whatever it was. But as written in Clash of nations Russia is and will be here and I agree we should care. They are almost worse totality than China and luckily not even half of China power. I have some friends there who are under heavy pressure already. So it is good to know we are not working and talking against some NSA or so, but we are working and talking against gov that is willing to kill you if you are LGBT or from Chechnya.

So fuck gov still apply, but again we are trying to kick bear to the ass. So come on punk, gimme the fight ;]

The Anglo-Saxons are really happy to read all this bullshit they themselves made up about Russia. "Your" thoughts are full of false stamps, lies and slander over Russia. And with this kind of slave is really impossible to discuss anything. He never questions any of his smart ideas. He "knows" and he is "sure" for 1000% in anything he thinks and writes and hears about Russia. Well, you are just another "punk​" of the Western-pseudo-mass-media propaganda machine. So come on punk, gimme the fight ;]

Keep on fighting for your masters (even not knowing about them). ​

Tomas Overdrive Petru wrote:

I'm not Anglo-Saxon btw. I'm from one of ex-occupied country. You know CzechoSlovakia? So that country where Russian tanks where since 1968 and most of intelligence was and beaten regulary. You know totalitarianism under Russia supervise. So IMHO some personal and family experience. In case I should decide if to emigrate/migrate to Chicago or Leningrad [Snkt. Petersburg], guess what I will answer? ;]

Cheers, -- Overdrive

For background, I'm not anglo-saxon either. My grandparents were from Bessarabia and Georgia region who fled the early 1900s pogroms to Ellis Island. My grandfather sympathized with the Mensheveiks and was vehemently anti-communist... a reform Jew who never gave one penny to the settlers in Palestine. I have a friend (a grateful deadhead friend fwiw) from South Africa, a white man in his 60s whose father was a lawyer and had defended ANC people during Apartheid days, was threatened, and had to flee with his family. One day a decade or so ago we were talking politics and he blurted out "I LOVE America! The walls are so much higher. The razer(sic) wire's so much sharper, and all that pesky police state apparatus... You don't see it!" A few months ago we got to talking politics again and I reminded him of that quote then I asked: "So can you see that police state apparatus yet?" His reply was a vigorous nodding to the affirmative. That apparatus YOU see also exists in the US, and now you CAN see it. -- RR "You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddled around with mine until it worked..."

On 25.12.15 7:16, Александр wrote:

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2015-12-25 1:54 GMT+02:00 Tomas Overdrive Petru : I was ever interested why Russia tend to support other side. Again and again and again. That is something I'm thinking for years. Whenever some dictatorship with idea to persecute singing and dancing occur around the globe, Russia is there to help. Question is and was: why? [as usual]. IMHO it is just cynical point of view of rocket businessman nobody wants to buy from and political reasons are at 2nd place, but its possible I'm wrong. In my country Russia tend do do whatever possible to get to power again, and fact is, that "ostalgia" is helping them, IMHO interim state of mind of my fellow citizens but imho dangerous too.

So fuck this unclear propaganda and not really technical and hacker-like propaganda blog, or whatever it was. But as written in Clash of nations Russia is and will be here and I agree we should care. They are almost worse totality than China and luckily not even half of China power. I have some friends there who are under heavy pressure already. So it is good to know we are not working and talking against some NSA or so, but we are working and talking against gov that is willing to kill you if you are LGBT or from Chechnya.

So fuck gov still apply, but again we are trying to kick bear to the ass. So come on punk, gimme the fight ;]

The Anglo-Saxons are really happy to read all this bullshit they themselves made up about Russia. "Your" thoughts are full of false stamps, lies and slander over Russia.

And with this kind of slave is really impossible to discuss anything. He never questions any of his smart ideas. He "knows" and he is "sure" for 1000% in anything he thinks and writes and hears about Russia.

Well, you are just another "punk​" of the Western-pseudo-mass-media propaganda machine.

So come on punk, gimme the fight ;]

Keep on fighting for your masters (even not knowing about them).

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-- “Borders I have never seen one. But I have heard they exist in the minds of some people.” ― Thor Heyerdahl

Hackerspace project ........ https://labka.cz Telegram ................... @over23 Telefon .................... 00420 721 007 507 facebook ................... facebook.com/overdrive23 twitter .................... https://twitter.com/#!/over2393 GnuPG key FingerPrint ...... 08EA E4DC EF85 0F02 9267 5B48 2E58 6902 C5F8 794C Public key ................. http://overdrive.dronezone.eu/overdrive.txt

Whenever some dictatorship with idea to persecute singing and dancing occur around the globe, Russia is there to help. ROTF. I suppose the CARPET BOMBING of Baghdad based on nothing but a

Tomas Overdrive Petru wrote: pack of lies (still being reiterated, recently in one major media outlet as: "Saddam was in touch with islamists for assistance...") was something to 'sing and dance' about? I suppose supplying weapons and cash to the Wahabbi nutjobs in Saudi Arabia to bomb and strafe Yemen, a country that never even had a functional Air Force was cause for celebration. Osama was never heard at Tora Bora (per US dox showing the intel apparatchik totally lost sigint on him in 1998) yet we used a blatant lie about hearing him at the old NATO sigint eavesdropping facility (like dozens that skirted the Russian border ... in Turkey and Iran as well), he was told to use as he destabilized a nascent secular Afghanistan b/c "Russians" and "Communism" and then we let the Islamist scumbuckets we hired to make sure women wore their burquas continue the job to this day. I'm doing the Jig now over that. The list of offenses against sovereign nations committed by the US in it's quest for control of every extractive resource and route of removal goes back to the inception of this marauding nation, and you're either a paid propagandist, or simply ignorant of world history, or both. I see that double trait in supporters of "Israel" and it's often the case in rabid anti-communists too. -- RR "You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddled around with mine until it worked..."