Re: GoldBug SF projects [was: Bittorrent Bleep]
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Bernd Stramm <bernd.stramm@gmail.com> wrote:
To the extent that linux versions of these projects are available, I put them in the opensuse build system. From there you can get RPMs, and a few DEBs, including the source versions. OBS signs them.
If I wanted to try Unix/OBS versions I would. And I might if these issues are ever resolved and they are picked up and looked at by more Unix's.
So quit whining
I'm defending users who might be considering running the binaries you distribute. As far as I can tell, no one has ever been able to reproduce them from your sources. And you haven't posted sufficient details about your platform to make whatever compilation notes you posted worthwhile. "32 bit windows" could be anything. I also can't find OpenPGP signatures for the binaries or the sources that you distribute. Nor can I find a reply from you or "Mike Weber" or anyone else regarding all these issues.
If you use windows, it is your own fault.
So if I use the source without blobs I'm safe, but if I use your windows binaries I'm rooted? Or should this mean that you know windows sucks but you're writing to it anyways, and perhaps you don't care much about the implementation quality there. Now because you're a member of GoldBug Messenger on SF... / http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-July/047137.html / "[Today ...] the EFF in conjunction with the Chaos Computer Club announced a / new secure Instant Messenger called: GoldBug.sf.net (http://goldbug.sf.net)" Are you suggesting that users ignore the falsehood you put in your announcements and just trust your software? (Is that what all those anonymous 5-star 1-review posts of GoldBug to mostly second and third class windows software aggregator sites are about... building trust? You can google for those.) Or are you saying that you somehow forgot to post your own project denial of Randolph / Thomas posting as if they were associated with your projects? Ok, well maybe you did forget that, so let's see who has control... Currently: http://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/ "Brought to you by: berndhs, mikeweber" ... and what they do with that control... / http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-July/047137.html This gnupg thread also shows two other witnesses to... / "a review on sourceforge which indicates that the CCC has no idea / of it" / "... I also note that about 30 minutes ago, a representative of the Chaos / Computer Club (CCC) posted a one-star review of GoldBug in which he said / that CCC had never heard of GoldBug, despite GoldBug claiming to be / associated with CCC. / / About five minutes ago the GoldBug project admin disabled reviews and / the one-star review is no longer visible. / / This kind of behavior on the part of the GoldBug project leaders is / deeply irresponsible. This, by itself, should persuade people to not / use it. Responsible programmers *welcome* criticism -- we don't / suppress it." Currently: http://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/reviews "This project does not allow reviews to be posted." Now of course back then "Mike Weber" may have been the only one in the SF GB project, plus the apparent, in my opinion, shills Thomas and Randolph. However, you are now also on the SF GB project since at least Oct 26 2013. https://web.archive.org/web/20131004145711/http://sourceforge.net/projects/g... https://web.archive.org/web/20131026004244/http://sourceforge.net/projects/g... So lets see if your project has improved its behaviour since pointed out by people on gnupg list in Jul 2013... no it hasn't. To wit: Your project just censored my post and turned on list moderation so that no one else can speak. Oopsie, footshot ;-) https://web.archive.org/web/20140922090221/http://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/... https://web.archive.org/web/20140922201304/http://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/... http://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/mailman/goldbug-forum/ "1 message has been excluded from this view by a project administrator." 14 out of 15 posts. "Your mail to 'GoldBug-Forum' ... is being held ... Post to moderated list" So the question now begs, with you being fully aware, and perhaps even complicit... why do you remain associated with projects that have serious issues? If you choose to remain, you definitely need to get "Mike", and you, to post an answer on this stuff. And if you choose to leave, an exit statement from you would surely serve you well as a possible member of the FOSS/Suse community.
So quit whining
As long as all these questions remain unanswered, I will not quit defending users, or the names of Tor, EFF, CCC. Last minute additions... # These two addresses are '550 user unknown' ... berndhs@users.sourceforge.net mikeweber@users.sourceforge.net # A story about one particular Michael Weber http://www.businessinsider.com/swiss-software-developer-bitcoin-2014-4 # Another email found spot-on and dooble - "Alexis Megas" - textbrowser@gmail.com, textfield@us... # They uncensored my post to their list (second in this thread), # but have not yet approved my first from this thread, or possibly # this third post. http://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/mailman/goldbug-forum/ # I'm aware of no replies other than Bernd above. Maybe for Goldbug et al it's all about the cute puppies... / http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-July/047137.html / "Some net communities already call it the 'Neuland Messenger' due to / the Font Name of the Logo." Really, they do call it that? Well shoot your foot again, seems that phrase has no applicable google search results on the net other than your own announcement and a ... http://www.infodog.com/RESULTS/brdrsl.htm?evno=2000110102&bno=31800 "Bern"ese mountain show dog. You silly "novice bitches", hopefully the twitters will have their way with you and your apparently bogus projects too. https://twitter.com/GoldBugIM Bye bye.
Additional links, threads and updates... No replies came to me except for: - One further note of no particular substance from Bernd. - One thank you for exposing things further. Thanks :) On tor-talk: TPO/TBB clone on SourceForge, use of TPO name https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-September/034930.html https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/11515 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqtQ4kKC2rLzdEVjWkxTcUVTTWxmdnh... On Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MarcoSU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MarcoSU Attn czarkoff: Background threads for reference in your wikipedia work https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2014-September/thread.html https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2014-September/005505.html keywords: goldbug messenger, firefloo communicator, lib spot-on, echo protocol, cassiopeia bitmail, dooble web browser, interface social network
Dnia wtorek, 23 września 2014 16:19:18 grarpamp pisze:
Additional links, threads and updates...
No replies came to me except for: - One further note of no particular substance from Bernd. - One thank you for exposing things further. Thanks :)
Here's another one of these: thanks a lot. The whole thread is very informative.
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keywords: goldbug messenger, firefloo communicator, lib spot-on, echo protocol, cassiopeia bitmail, dooble web browser, interface social network
Whoa, some nice bullshit bingo right there! ;) -- Pozdr rysiek
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Additional links, threads and updates...
Found a new shill using their classic style to push GoldBug messenger. Here's the thread... https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2014-July/006326.html darkd0@unseen.is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728669 Debian should probably include this cpunks thread in any decision process regarding importing the softwares noted herein into debian.
(On list this time sorry.) On 9/25/14, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Additional links, threads and updates...
Found a new shill using their classic style to push GoldBug messenger. Here's the thread... https://mailman.boum.org/pipermail/tails-dev/2014-July/006326.html darkd0@unseen.is
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728669 Debian should probably include this cpunks thread in any decision process regarding importing the softwares noted herein into debian.
I think posting is open (no subscription required). I am not able to do so due to my sort-of not-so subtle suggestions regarding Debian's heavy handed CoC (Code of Conduct) application, which sadly caused said heavy handed CoC application to be applied to me. So if you're offended by such things, don't read my .sig. So perhaps someone else can send an email to that bug report to link this thread. It's pretty easy to do so. Cheers, Zenaan -- Banned for life from Debian, for suggesting Debian's CoC is being swung in our faces a little too vigorously.
General update/reply... - None of the projects in question have replied to any question being asked of them. - Goldbug has now deleted their sourceforge mailing list altogether, further hiding themselves from public inquiry on record. - The goldbug page was twice deleted off wikipedia since the 23rd. That makes at least three times now. - 'Alexis Megas' on SF used to be called 'Calvin', that's on archive.org. Yes, just as they link out to bogus 'reviews' for 'support', you could put 'references', 'controversy' sections into all their articles on wikipedia, and say the same things in the 'talk' subpages. That seems to be within WP policy if done in objective fashion. No, I wouldn't bother with creating a site dedicated to them. Instead, create a site to list all the questionable crypto products being foisted as new hotness onto the public. Further, contrasting with and pointing to well proven ones that already exist in any similar feature space/matrix. prism-break.org doesn't really go far in its depth/breadth/quantity, nor call out unconscionable practices, etc for public crypto products... that's not their purpose. So there's project oppurtunity there for someone who wants it. Bowing out.
Even they fail so many chances before, still giving them another oppurtunity... https://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/discussion/general/thread/1b87ed55/
I'm thinking that Infiltration and Information Deception are probably the best strategies with those folks. A weekend with Pizza+Beer drafting 4-5 well SEO-optimized websites, to represent a different "reality" of them? ;) Counter-PsyOPS-Team ? ;) -naif On 11/12/14 7:28 AM, grarpamp wrote:
Even they fail so many chances before, still giving them another oppurtunity... https://sourceforge.net/p/goldbug/discussion/general/thread/1b87ed55/
A new spamming shill popped up today posting to various lists in the community. Would love to know what these idiots and their binaries are up to and who's behind it. " John Winter <blogger81@techemail.com> Poptastic: Encrypted Chat over POP3 Hi, a first test was successful here! SMTP Ports should enable over Poptastic encrypted chat (& email) behind every Firewall. Maybe a tool for Thunderbird too?! Ciao John http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/21822/poptastic-verschluesselter-chat-ueber-p... GoldBug / Spot-On / ... "
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