Lucky Green Quits Tor Hard [re: Tor Replaces Its Entire Board]
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690 http://archive.is/T8Hlu (Uncensored version) http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/07/18/lucky_green_torpedos_tors... https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/4tectj/tor_veteran_lucky_green_exi... """"" Tonga (Bridge Authority) Permanent Shutdown Notice 2016-07-16T01:06:25Z Dear friends, Given recent events, it is no longer appropriate for me to materially contribute to the Tor Project either financially, as I have so generously throughout the years, nor by providing computing resources. This decision does not come lightly; I probably ran one of the first five nodes in the system and my involvement with Tor predates it being called "Tor" by many years. Nonetheless, I feel that I have no reasonable choice left within the bounds of ethics, but to announce the discontinuation of all Tor-related services hosted on every system under my control. Most notably, this includes the Tor node "Tonga", the "Bridge Authority", which I recognize is rather pivotal to the network Tonga will be permanently shut down and all associated crytographic keys destroyed on 2016-08-31. This should give the Tor developers ample time to stand up a substitute. I will terminate the chron job we set up so many years ago at that time that copies over the descriptors. In addition to Tonga, I will shut down a number of fast Tor relays, but the directory authorities should detect that shutdown quickly and no separate notice is needed here. I wish the Tor Project nothing but the best moving forward through those difficult times, --Lucky """""
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:30:44 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Changed 47 seconds ago by cypherpunks Tor spoke doing as SJW's did, part and parcel. Tor is vulnerable to GPA etc. Tor eats at table of USGOV. Tor is in the hands of pop meta players now, not OG hackers and activists.
I wouldn't be surprised if "cypherpunks" is grarpamp. Anyway, whoever "cypherpunks" is, he's a dumb liar. Tor always was vulnerable to 'GPAs', always was funded by the US nazis, and completely in bed with the US gov't. Any 'hackers' who worked for tor were and are nothing but unprincipled US gov't lapdogs.
On 07/18/2016 10:53 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:30:44 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Changed 47 seconds ago by cypherpunks Tor spoke doing as SJW's did, part and parcel. Tor is vulnerable to GPA etc. Tor eats at table of USGOV. Tor is in the hands of pop meta players now, not OG hackers and activists.
I wouldn't be surprised if "cypherpunks" is grarpamp. Anyway, whoever "cypherpunks" is, he's a dumb liar. Tor always was vulnerable to 'GPAs', always was funded by the US nazis, and completely in bed with the US gov't. Any 'hackers' who worked for tor were and are nothing but unprincipled US gov't lapdogs.
Tor bug tracker uses "cypherpunks" for anonymous postings.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 02:53:41 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 07/18/2016 10:53 PM, juan wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:30:44 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Changed 47 seconds ago by cypherpunks Tor spoke doing as SJW's did, part and parcel. Tor is vulnerable to GPA etc. Tor eats at table of USGOV. Tor is in the hands of pop meta players now, not OG hackers and activists.
I wouldn't be surprised if "cypherpunks" is grarpamp. Anyway, whoever "cypherpunks" is, he's a dumb liar. Tor always was vulnerable to 'GPAs', always was funded by the US nazis, and completely in bed with the US gov't. Any 'hackers' who worked for tor were and are nothing but unprincipled US gov't lapdogs.
Tor bug tracker uses "cypherpunks" for anonymous postings.
AHAHA! That's even crazier...
On 07/18/2016 10:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690 http://archive.is/T8Hlu (Uncensored version)
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/07/18/lucky_green_torpedos_tors... https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/4tectj/tor_veteran_lucky_green_exi...
""""" Tonga (Bridge Authority) Permanent Shutdown Notice 2016-07-16T01:06:25Z
Dear friends, Given recent events, it is no longer appropriate for me to materially contribute to the Tor Project either financially, as I have so generously throughout the years, nor by providing computing resources. This decision does not come lightly; I probably ran one of the first five nodes in the system and my involvement with Tor predates it being called "Tor" by many years. Nonetheless, I feel that I have no reasonable choice left within the bounds of ethics, but to announce the discontinuation of all Tor-related services hosted on every system under my control.
I wonder what triggered this. The Appelbaum mess? Board change? Probably some back story about one or both. Maybe it'll leak :)
On 07/19/2016 01:57 AM, Mirimir wrote:
On 07/18/2016 10:30 PM, grarpamp wrote:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690 http://archive.is/T8Hlu (Uncensored version)
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/07/18/lucky_green_torpedos_tors... https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/4tectj/tor_veteran_lucky_green_exi...
""""" Tonga (Bridge Authority) Permanent Shutdown Notice 2016-07-16T01:06:25Z
Dear friends, Given recent events, it is no longer appropriate for me to materially contribute to the Tor Project either financially, as I have so generously throughout the years, nor by providing computing resources. This decision does not come lightly; I probably ran one of the first five nodes in the system and my involvement with Tor predates it being called "Tor" by many years. Nonetheless, I feel that I have no reasonable choice left within the bounds of ethics, but to announce the discontinuation of all Tor-related services hosted on every system under my control. I wonder what triggered this. The Appelbaum mess? Board change?
Probably some back story about one or both. Maybe it'll leak :)
"...within the bounds of ethics..." can mean a lot of different things. Maybe this person didn't like the way ioerror was SLANDERED. Maybe a rift in the Board about how much say the gubmint gets in the project and it just got replaced with a majority sold out to teh gubmint. I might add IF there was some new MAJOR problem within tor software itself ioerror or this guy would surely be blowing that whistle... Now that there's been a purge, that could change. People like schneier might be reasonable and ethical watchdogs but he CERTAINLY isn't someone who can spot the problems in the code. Rr
https://cryptome.org/2016/07/lucky-green-shuts-tor-tonga.htm 17 July 2016 Lucky Green Leaves Tor, to Shut Tonga Bridge A sends: Tor's initial response to approaching bridge infrastructure shutdown, from the private tor-intenal list: http://pastebin.com/w5WFMBXg - Message on tor-internal reacting to Tonga sunsetting a guest Sunday 17th of July 2016 12:52:20 PM CDT 39 Never text 1.87 KB Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:15:29 +0200 From: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> To: tor-internal@lists.torproject.org, Karsten Loesing <karsten@torproject.org>, Nick Mathewson <nickm@torproject.org>, Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu> Subject: [tor-internal] Tonga is going away permanently Aug 31 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: multipart/signed, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 1.8K --] [-- PGP output follows (current time: Sat 16 Jul 2016 09:37:19 AM UTC) --] gpg: Signature made Sat 16 Jul 2016 09:15:30 AM UTC gpg: using RSA key A96C6FDD140C961B gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [-- End of PGP output --] [-- The following data is signed --] Hey, Lucky announced[0] that he is quitting all his Tor involvement including operation of Tonga and several relays. The relays should not cause any problems, but we need to deploy a new bridge auth asap, make sure it can transfer descriptors as the current one does etc. We need a supremely trusted operator for this, as they see sensitive data that they shouldn't lose, as well as someone who is able to provide a very high-availability system because bridge auth works quite differently compared to the dirauth system. Nevertheless, this will cause severe disruption for the bridge ecosystem as our users typically take a long time to update their version of Tor. We should strive to have this set up very soon and included in a Tor release well before Aug 31, and yet it will still cause disruptions. The above is just my take on the whole thing and I'm somewhat shocked by the development. Sebastian [0]: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/19690 [-- End of signed data --] [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: base64, Size: 0.2K --] _______________________________________________ tor-internal mailing list
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 05:55:59AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
From: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> To: tor-internal@lists.torproject.org,
Well, who leaked that? Some possibilities include: 1. Someone legally subscribed to tor-internal. 2. Someone illegally subscribed to tor-internal. 3. Someone owning the mail server/network near it. 4. Someone owning tor developer subscribed.
On 07/19/2016 09:09 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 05:55:59AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
From: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> To: tor-internal@lists.torproject.org,
Well, who leaked that?
Some possibilities include:
1. Someone legally subscribed to tor-internal. 2. Someone illegally subscribed to tor-internal. 3. Someone owning the mail server/network near it. 4. Someone owning tor developer subscribed.
Not that there's anything profound about it's contents all, and if leaked by hostile parties notifies them they need to 'tighten up' to prevent more of the same. Rr
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 19:09:07 +0300 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 05:55:59AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
From: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> To: tor-internal@lists.torproject.org,
Well, who leaked that?
Some possibilities include:
1. Someone legally subscribed to tor-internal.
Tor internal? What is that? What, the tor cunts, the universal champions of 'transparency' (and human rights!) have a little 'secret' list to discuss their little dirty secrets? =) Aren't they oh so cute and transparent!
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