https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7748467/amp/Bill-Hillary-Clinton-fr...
'His biggest concern was monitoring and covering that area, so my main focus was mounting cameras on poles to cover the driveways, walkways, the ins and outs of each house and facilities.
'It was like Westworld, it's like they built a functioning movie set, they put a lot of thought and detail into it, the flooring and facilities in there.
http://www.unz.com/article/is-jeffrey-epsteins-boss-ghislaine-maxwell-helpin...
Epstein was able to play the martyr by not only claiming that unscrupulous girls had lied their age but also by implying that the age of consent is too high anyway in Florida.
I am under the impression that the US government has made everything but transporting prostitutes (who he should have vetted) illegal. An amazing loophole. I think the entire US government is easily duped by reverse psychology. This influential man that everyone says is suspicious and is involved in something suspicious is not looked into until it turns out that he is an evil monster. Nothing strange, nothing suspicious going on. They'll throw the book at you for lesser stuff, but I guess unless you have an orgy with Epstein, you wouldn't understand what a loving man he is.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 01:07:19 +0000 Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.unz.com/article/is-jeffrey-epsteins-boss-ghislaine-maxwell-helpin...
wow. an endless hysterical vomit coming from puritan feminazi monkeys. unz and the fucktards who follow him should go back to whatever dark ages cesspool they came from.
On 12/4/19 5:54 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 01:07:19 +0000 Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.unz.com/article/is-jeffrey-epsteins-boss-ghislaine-maxwell-helpin...
wow. an endless hysterical vomit coming from puritan feminazi monkeys. unz and the fucktards who follow him should go back to whatever dark ages cesspool they came from.
Unz is weird. They archive all kinds of things including this piece by Hunter S. Thompson from the mid-1960s about how the North's Redlining racism moved South in the runup to the Equal Housing and Civil Rights Act A Southern City with Northern Problems by Hunter S. Thompson The Reporter, December 19, 1963, pp. 26-29 http://www.unz.com/print/Reporter-1963dec19-00026 (PDF embedded in page) Rr
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 10:54:28PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 01:07:19 +0000 Ryan Carboni <ryacko@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.unz.com/article/is-jeffrey-epsteins-boss-ghislaine-maxwell-helpin...
wow. an endless hysterical vomit coming from puritan feminazi monkeys. unz and the fucktards who follow him should go back to whatever dark ages cesspool they came from.
Collecting so many facts into one location is a good thing, notwithstanding any objectionable spin/ option/ emotion. A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds. In the past, homosexual blackmail, today pedophilia blackmail. Fundamentally in the West "our" governments are very compromised. Caught pimping children in Brazil? Get promoted to Consul to Australia, Canberra - although in that particular case (Israel Scher), "Australia refused to let Scher enter the country." Soap, we see a global pedophile blackmail operation, and the facts are finally getting exposed - a good thing no matter what position one might take on what the age of consent ought to be...
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit. No doubt mossad and the rothschilds are in the category of worst scum on the planet, but they are a small part of the total scum.
In the past, homosexual blackmail, today pedophilia blackmail. Fundamentally in the West "our" governments are very compromised.
hilarious bullshit. so back to topic, what that article shows is that there are a lot of completely unhinged puritans out there. And no surprise : feminazis are jew-christian anglo-american scum. Alternatively one can assume that the hysterical screeches of these assholes are caused by the fact that they themselves are 'pedophiles' - and pointing the finger to somebody else is a good way to divert atention from themselves.
Soap, we see a global pedophile blackmail operation,
what the fuck are you talking about
and the facts are finally getting exposed -
do you practice in order to say that sort of cosmically retarded thing, or does it come naturally to you? by the way, I suggest you stop reading garbage from zerohedge and russian propaganda outlets. You don't seem to be able to handle it.
a good thing no matter what position one might take on what the age of consent ought to be...
age of consent is a statist concept as valid as jim bell's patents and execution of thieves.
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=homosexual+political+blackmail Plenty of history.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=homosexual+political+blackmail
Plenty of history.
again, bullshit. There is some amount of blackmail and yet blackmail doesn't explain politics at all. If your views are misleading you're part of the problem. If you're providing an 'explanation' that is bullshit, you're part of the problem. So please, cut the propaganda and post your zerohedge-trumpo-putin bullshit elsewhere.
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:10:35AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=homosexual+political+blackmail
Plenty of history.
again, bullshit. There is some amount of blackmail and yet blackmail doesn't explain politics at all. If your views are misleading you're part of the problem. If you're providing an 'explanation' that is bullshit, you're part of the problem. So please, cut the propaganda and post your zerohedge-trumpo-putin bullshit elsewhere.
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics. I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today". ------------------------- Facts in support. Hoover allegedly collected "information about the sexual lives of Washington’s power elite, including John and Robert Kennedy, Eleanor Roosevelt and others, according to a number of biographers" https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-02-06-mn-1078-story.html Many years ago I read a book saying he stated that he founded it "very useful" that pedophilia had been formally declared illegal in statute - but there are too many books about, and I don't have time to read them all just to find that quote again. The above book (link) says "The new book quotes two former Office of Strategic Services officials who said they saw pictures of Hoover engaged in a sexual act with Tolson. One, John Weitz, said he could not recognize anyone in the photo he was shown at a dinner party in the 1950s but was told by his host, whom he would not identify, that it depicted Hoover and Tolson" and alleges that Hoover was blackmailed by the mafia. See also https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/814
From here https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy... we read a few assertions apparently backed by facts: What happened in Suite 233?
The connections Roy Cohn built during the 1950s made him a well-known public figure and translated into great political influence that peaked during the presidency of Ronald Reagan. Yet, as Cohn built his public image, he was also developing a dark private life, which would come to be dominated by the same blackmail pedophile racket that appears to have first begun with Lewis Rosenstiel. One of the “blackmail parties” Susan Kaufman attended with her then-husband Lewis Rosenstiel was hosted by Cohn in 1958 at Manhattan’s Plaza Hotel, suite 233. Kaufman described Cohn’s suite as a “beautiful suite…all done in light blue.” She described being introduced to Hoover, who was in drag, by Cohn, who told her that Hoover’s name was “Mary” in a fit of barely concealed laughter. Kaufman testified that young boys were present and Kaufman claimed that Cohn, Hoover and her ex-husband engaged in sexual activity with these minors. New York attorney John Klotz, tasked with investigating Cohn for a case well after Kaufman’s testimony, also found evidence of the “blue suite” at the Plaza Hotel and its role in a sex extortion ring after combing through local government documents and information gathered by private detectives. Klotz later told journalist and author Burton Hersh what he had learned: Roy Cohn was providing protection. There were a bunch of pedophiles involved. That’s where Cohn got his power from — blackmail.” Perhaps the most damning confirmation of Cohn’s activities in Suite 233 comes from statements made by Cohn himself to former NYPD detective and ex-head of the department’s Human-Trafficking and Vice-Related Crimes Division, James Rothstein. Rothstein later told John DeCamp — a former Nebraska state senator who investigated a government-connected child sex ring based in Omaha — among other investigators, that Cohn had admitted https://www.wikispooks.com/w/images/8/8e/The_Franklin_Cover-Up.pdf to being part of a sexual blackmail operation targeting politicians with child prostitutes during a sit-down interview with the former detective. which goes on and on still... Then there's the Boys Town documentary, and then the documentaries about the documentary since the documentary was set to air on national (USA) TV and was pulled literally in the last hour or so before airing - though today it's available on YouTube and other places. Next we find a relatively recent book by Angus McLaren: Sexual Blackmail: a modern history by Angus McLaren https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/sexual-blackm... This appears to be more of a general historical coverage, he highlights (significantly in my opinion), that it is the introduction of laws policing human sexuality (not talking here about aggressive or violent rape), which creates not only new classes of criminals, but new classes of blackmail which have, over 100s of years (at least) been used for blackmail, with references and reporting aplenty. Here's a quote from that particular book review: Angus McLaren's brainwave has been to disinter old stories of sexual blackmail from newspapers and more arcane sources in England and the United States. He has used these to compile a fascinating, humane and thought-provoking history of social attitudes, human intimacy and sexual taboos. Sexual Blackmail is full of good stories and racy characters – rent boys, vamps, conmen, gold-diggers, soppy vicars, senescent lechers, pyjama parties, tabloid bullies and bossy prigs. Some of the tales in this book are jolly. Others are variously pitiful, cruel and sordid. Overall, they constitute a strong reminder of what should be the first law of sexual ethics: always distrust the accuser. Blackmail emerged when 18th-century criminals realised that the laws against sodomy could enable them to entrap men, and extort their money. As early as 1757, an English statute made blackmail a criminal offence. Opportunities increased when sexual conduct became the index of respectability for the 19th-century middle classes. In England, blackmail was more tightly linked to homosexuality than in the puritan US, where activities prohibited by law or social sanction included seduction, adultery, oral sex and inter-racial fornication. The notorious Labouchere Amendment of 1885, whose vague wording put more Englishmen at risk of prosecution for homosexuality, proved an incentive to false accusation and extortion. So did America's Mann Act of 1910, targeting inter-state fornication and adultery. Like prohibition against alcohol or drugs, proscriptive sexual legislation created not only new classes of criminal but was an incentive to new forms of crime. The peak period of sexual blackmail was the Twenties and the Depression years of the Thirties. This was partly because people were short of money, but surely also because what we term Victorian values were actually enforced most pervasively during the reigns of Kings George V and VI. Newspaper reports of blackmail trials defended the reputation of men in authority. The well-off victim was portrayed as naïve or foolish: the youths, or designing women, as irredeemably corrupt. Most blackmailers were exceptionally nasty, but the violence with which judges denounced them seems designed to deflect attention from the sexual indiscretions of the professional men who had been victimised. There was a real element of class solidarity in judicial language. Blackmail was not only associated with homosexuality. Courtesans threatened to publish indiscreet memoirs unless clients paid to have their names pressed. When Harriet Wilson tried this trick on the Duke of Wellington in the 1820s, he famously retorted, "Publish and be damned!" Criminals, particularly in the US, organised "shake-downs" in which a woman would target a susceptible man, who would then be trapped by an accomplice posing as her husband. "I caught them all," gloated an Irish blackmailer known as Chicago May in the 1890s. "University Professors, ministers, priests, gamblers, country yokels, sportsmen, gentlefolk and visiting grandees." ... Although stories of blackmail receded during the Second World War, London policemen in the Fifties, as one admitted, "looked on homosexuals as a source of extra income". The ringleader of a highly organised gang of 70 members engaged in entrapping and blackmailing American fags in the Sixties was a Chicago cop. Perhaps the most recent indictment of those in power, is Fiona Barnett and the documentary she made "Candy Girl", about her experiences as a child and later teenager in Australia: Fiona Barnett The Candy Girl (Documentary) http://www.mindbodyheartandsoul.org/video/fiona-barnett-the-candy-girl/ Fiona Barnett The Candy Girl is a film about the insidious evil that exists in Australia within the ranks of our politicians and leaders who are pedophiles. In this documentary film, Fiona recalls the many times that she experienced abuse at the hands of several politicians, actors and other famous people here in Australia. This film is very disturbing, and even though the facts that are contained in this film need to be exposed, there is much resistance within the ranks of those in power to do anything about these matters. Nothing has been done to address the issue since the film’s creation in 2015. ... Harassment and Targeting Fiona is academic by nature and has spent too many years compensating for her poor public school education. She has studied visual arts, education, art therapy and psychology at a tertiary level. In 2010, Fiona had almost completed a masters in forensic psychology at a private Gold Coast university, when certain staff targeted her for removal from the psychology industry. This attack immediately followed her adherence to mandatory reporting legislation regarding disclosure of child abuse allegations by a client in the Bond University Psychology Clinic. This attack was one of many endured since escaping her childhood perpetrators. Bond University staff conspired to mislead authorities regarding Fiona’s age at the time of her child abuse experiences. They reported her as an adult perpetrator, instead of a child victim of the crimes she experienced, to the Queensland Police and Psychology Board. Select staff within these government organisations then collaborated with Bond University to destroy Fiona’s chosen profession. They also targeted her physical safety. Pedophiles Down Under This pinnacle attack on Fiona’s life triggered a chain of events that led to the existence of the Pedophiles Down Under website. Tired of the constant threats to her family’s safety, and incessant sabotage of her efforts to participate normally in Australian society, Fiona realised she had no choice but to go public. In 2013, Fiona provided witness testimony to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Abuse. She simultaneously participated in mainstream media interviews and published a series of articles in a popular Australian online news journal. Fiona’s public disclosure led to other Australian victims coming forward and requesting assistance and exposure for their experiences. Her official complaint against key perpetrator, and high profile Australian psychologist, Dr Antony Kidman immediately preceded his mysterious death in Singapore and attracted global attention. Incredibly (or rather, not), Fiona Barnett and the Candy Girl documentary has been completely censored off of Wikipedia (undoubtly the Wiki Czars will say things like "uncorroborated" - but if extensive first hand accounts is not testimonial evidence, then we no longer have a valid legal system). So, do note the sequence for Fiona's documentary: - documentary released, alleging horrific crimes by powerful people in Australia, with Australian psychologist Dr Antony Kidman heavily involved. - note that Dr Antony Kidman is the actress Nicole Kidman's father - shortly after the 2015 doco is released, Dr Kidman flees to Singapore - shortly after this, Dr Kidman is "mysteriously" killed - also following release of the doco, "other Australian victims coming forward and requesting assistance and exposure for their experiences" If you have not watched this documentary by Fiona Barnett, you are doing a disservice to her courage in creating and releasing it. ------------------------------- Now, in the face of all the above (and that's just a couple hours survey looking for things I can remember off the top of my head, I continue to hold unequivocally to the position that pedophile blackmail is rife in Western political circles. Sometimes, there is no amount of factual material that shall ever be "enough" for dissenters to accept that which is essentially before our eyes, but that's ok - dissenters gonna dissent. I do agree though that if such an opinion re blackmail as many today hold re Western politics and power, were not founded in facts such as a few as are plucked out above, then those holding such opinions would in fact be a part of the problem. And it's also OK to ask for "facts in support" when someone repeatedly makes a bold claim, and a short and unequivocal "bullshit" response is certainly (at least often) an effective way to elicit the claimant into doing a little work to back up his claim - all's fair in the sport of claims and facts, one might say ;) And again, I am grateful that, at least so far, we here on this cypherpunks list are still able to post and discuss about such things without being disappeared. This is more than we can say about certain Chinese nationals in Australia who have suffered life ending events for being so outspoken: "We're Sitting Ducks" - Australian Politicians Warn Of Threat From Chinese Regime https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/were-sitting-ducks-australian-politic... https://www.theepochtimes.com/were-sitting-ducks-australian-politicians-warn... 2019-12-04 - 21:55 ... “Now we’ve heard that Chinese attempts to infiltrate our politics go even further … They’re not just trying to influence politicians with money; they’re trying to get elected to sit in this chamber … wherever they can buy or get seats in the Australian parliament, they’re coming,” Lambie said. “There are no security checks, there’s little to stop it from happening. It’s absolutely beyond shocking.” “People are literally showing up dead. Someone who was supposedly cultivated by the Chinese government to run as a Liberal Party candidate in the Commonwealth Parliament has shown up dead,” Lambie added. “Nothing’s been proven but it’s really concerning … I think we all know what’s going on here.” ...
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 09:48:34AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:10:35AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
A significant point is that "our" system - "our" fiats, "our" governments - are blackmailed into submission by Mossad, for the Rothschilds.
bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=homosexual+political+blackmail
Plenty of history.
again, bullshit. There is some amount of blackmail and yet blackmail doesn't explain politics at all. If your views are misleading you're part of the problem. If you're providing an 'explanation' that is bullshit, you're part of the problem. So please, cut the propaganda and post your zerohedge-trumpo-putin bullshit elsewhere.
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics.
I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today".
------------------------- Facts in support.
Forgot one of the big ones: Lavender scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare The "Lavender Scare" was a moral panic about homosexual people in the United States government and their mass dismissal from government service. It contributed to and paralleled the anti-communist campaign known as McCarthyism and the Second Red Scare.[1] Gay men and lesbians were said to be national security risks and communist sympathizers, which led to the call to remove them from state employment.[2] It was thought that the gays were more susceptible to being manipulated which could pose a threat to the country.[3] The Lavender Scare – the federal government's official response to both a visible lesbian and gay community and a perceived homosexual menace – normalized persecution of homosexuals through bureaucratic institutionalization of homophobic discrimination policy. Former U.S. Senator Alan K. Simpson has written: "The so-called 'Red Scare' has been the main focus of most historians of that period of time. A lesser-known element ... and one that harmed far more people was the witch-hunt McCarthy and others conducted against homosexuals."[4] ... Together, McCarthy and Cohn—with the enthusiastic support of the head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover—were responsible for the firing of scores of gay men and women from government employment and strong-armed many opponents into silence using rumors of their homosexuality.[22][23][24] In 1953, during the final months of the Truman administration, the State Department reported that it had fired 425 employees for allegations of homosexuality.[25][26][27]
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 09:56:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics.
I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today".
'modern politics' is 'western politics'. Last time I checked western scumbags were busy conquering and destroying the world. Now, the main mechanism in politics is extortion. Subjects are free to obey govcorp or die. That is Western Freedom. If a guy like epstein, a wall-street jew-thief also ran a blackmail boutique to honestly earn some extra pocket money from donations from his friends, that wouldn't change the nature and modus operandi of govcorp AT ALL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare
The "Lavender Scare" was a moral panic about homosexual people in the United States government and their mass dismissal from government service.
yes, and? What has that got to do with the fact that any government agent is a criminal, whether he is gay or straight.
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 08:41:24PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 09:56:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics.
I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today".
'modern politics' is 'western politics'. Last time I checked western scumbags were busy conquering and destroying the world.
Now, the main mechanism in politics is extortion. Subjects are free to obey govcorp or die. That is Western Freedom.
If a guy like epstein, a wall-street jew-thief also ran a blackmail boutique to honestly earn some extra pocket money from donations from his friends, that wouldn't change the nature and modus operandi of govcorp AT ALL.
That's a bold assertion. Is it possible that some politicians might actually vote -against- auditing or ditching the Fed, to protect their reputations (from media exposure that they dallianced with under age "children", or actual children)??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare
The "Lavender Scare" was a moral panic about homosexual people in the United States government and their mass dismissal from government service.
yes, and? What has that got to do with the fact that any government agent is a criminal, whether he is gay or straight.
See above. His sexual proclivity is not the issue - his propensity to protect his (or her) reputation, in the face of blackmail about his sexual proclivity, is the question.
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 10:50:02 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 08:41:24PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 09:56:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics.
I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today".
'modern politics' is 'western politics'. Last time I checked western scumbags were busy conquering and destroying the world.
Now, the main mechanism in politics is extortion. Subjects are free to obey govcorp or die. That is Western Freedom.
If a guy like epstein, a wall-street jew-thief also ran a blackmail boutique to honestly earn some extra pocket money from donations from his friends, that wouldn't change the nature and modus operandi of govcorp AT ALL.
That's a bold assertion.
That's the nature of reality, as opposed to stupid propaganda from zerohedge. Propaganda that you uncritically parrot.
Is it possible that some politicians might actually vote -against- auditing or ditching the Fed, to protect their reputations (from media exposure that they dallianced with under age "children", or actual children)??
what about you explaining why you believe that sort of garbage instead of looking at reality? why would you believe an absurd theory that doesn't square with facts? Fact : fraudulent banking goes back to mesopotamia thousands of years ago. And the scam wasn't founded on blackmailing a bunch of politicians of that time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare
The "Lavender Scare" was a moral panic about homosexual people in the United States government and their mass dismissal from government service.
yes, and? What has that got to do with the fact that any government agent is a criminal, whether he is gay or straight.
See above. His sexual proclivity is not the issue - his propensity to protect his (or her) reputation, in the face of blackmail about his sexual proclivity, is the question.
yes, and? Who cares if government criminals are blackmailed or not? The problem is that they are G O V C O R P C R I M I N A L S. notice also another problem with your theory - if you try to blackmail ppl like the clintons you may 'disappear' like epstein did. In other words, you can't blackmail powerful people. They simply kill you or dispose of you somehow. bottom line : you are just feeding the feminazi propaganda machine. I should assume you're doing it on purpose? you are also pretending that the problem with government is that some poor pieces of government shit are doing bad things because of 'blackmail' and ignoring that they do bad things because that's their job description. So you're not only feeding the feminazi propaganda machine but the we-need-good-government statist propaganda machine as well.
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 10:50:02AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 08:41:24PM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 09:56:24 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
You may be right, that blackmail plays no significant part in modern politics.
I don't believe it's correct that "blackmail plays no significant part in Western politics today".
'modern politics' is 'western politics'. Last time I checked western scumbags were busy conquering and destroying the world.
Now, the main mechanism in politics is extortion. Subjects are free to obey govcorp or die. That is Western Freedom.
If a guy like epstein, a wall-street jew-thief also ran a blackmail boutique to honestly earn some extra pocket money from donations from his friends, that wouldn't change the nature and modus operandi of govcorp AT ALL.
We may now call a spade a spade, and blackmail blackmail. ... Just not without mentioning "all black spades are Americunts!" :) Repeat after me, all blac <a#... SEGFAULT Epstein Was A Mossad Agent Used To Blackmail American Politicians, Former Israeli Spy Claims https://www.zerohedge.com/political/epstein-was-mossad-agent-used-blackmail-... https://summit.news/2019/12/06/epstein-was-a-mossad-agent-used-to-blackmail-... Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy and alleged “handler” of Robert Maxwell, told the authors of a new book, Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales, that Epstein ran a “complex intelligence operation” at the behest of Mossad. ... When it became clear that Epstein wasn’t very competent at doing much else, his primary role became “blackmailing American and other political figures.” “Mr. Epstein was the simple idiot who was going around providing girls to all kinds of politicians in the United States,” said Ben-Menashe. “See, fucking around is not a crime. It could be embarrassing, but it’s not a crime. But fucking a fourteen-year-old girl is a crime. And he was taking photos of politicians fucking fourteen-year-old girls — if you want to get it straight. They would just blackmail people, they would just blackmail people like that.” ...
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
just a sample of what sort of scum your 'libertarian' fascist source zerohedge is https://www.zerohedge.com/political/destruction-american-liberty "It is not a coincidence that for the first 125 years of American life, there was no income tax, IRS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, education grants, drug laws, central planning, economic regulation, public schooling, Federal Reserve," for the first 100 years of americunt 'history' there was S L A V E R Y, land theft on a continental scale and ethnic cleansing. Not to mention national banks, tariffs (one of the causes of the civil war), puritan witch-burning psychos, and a long list of other crimes. the bad faith of supreme scumbags like jakobo hornberger and americunt libertarians is infinite.
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 04:19:19AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:58:54 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 01:47:26AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 15:10:35 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
just a sample of what sort of scum your 'libertarian' fascist source zerohedge is
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/destruction-american-liberty
"It is not a coincidence that for the first 125 years of American life, there was no income tax, IRS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, education grants, drug laws, central planning, economic regulation, public schooling, Federal Reserve,"
for the first 100 years of americunt 'history' there was S L A V E R Y, land theft on a continental scale and ethnic cleansing. Not to mention national banks, tariffs (one of the causes of the civil war), puritan witch-burning psychos, and a long list of other crimes.
the bad faith of supreme scumbags like jakobo hornberger and americunt libertarians is infinite.
The above is actually conflation - conflating or associating two separate things as though one cancels out the other. Conflation is not useful to progressing an argument, although (if your interlocutor is insufficiently familiar with conflations) it can be useful to shut down a conversation. So we have various facts: - pre-1913, no income tax, no Federal Reserve - also pre-1913, slavery, ethnic cleansing etc We don't throw out the facts surrounding the unconstitutional and illegal and immoral Federal Reserve, just because "other bad stuff" was happening prior to and after the existence of, the Federal Reserve. To throw out the former, due to the latter, can be termed conflation, or "throwing out the baby with the bathwater". Now, once again, as you so kindly asked for me to do a little research for you and provide some readily clickable facts, I shall do so :) --------------------------- Facts in support. The Federal Reserve Act: - is unconstitutional https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/082115/why-do-some-people-claim-fed... The U.S. Constitution does not mention the need for a central bank, nor does it explicitly grant the government the power to create one. Those who adhere to a strict interpretation of the Constitution believe the government does not have any authority not specifically listed as one of the Enumerated Powers of Congress. Critics also argue the Federal Reserve Bank violates the Constitution by being too closely tied to the private sector, and it lacks transparency and accountability. - was "passed" by parliament on Christmas Eve - was "passed" without a chorum (See "An essay on the history of banking" below) "The Federal Reserve was chartered by an act of deceit, when most of congress had gone home for Christmas holiday, on December 23rd, 1913. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, had passed the house, but it was having difficulty getting through the senate. Regardless, no recess had been called, while nearly every senator had gone home. Only three senators passed the act with a unanimous vote of 3-0. There were no objections. If there had been one person present in the absence of a quorum, the bill would not have passed." There is a contra to this though: https://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/FederalReserve/FRconspire/fra.... which claims that the next day the bill was passed 43-25. Perhaps someone could dig up actual parliamentary records. - is immoral all (fiat) "money" is created by debt alone, effectively "printing" money every time any entity (individual, government, corporation, etc) gets a "loan" - this is also against the biblical prohibition of usury - is unethical in a purportedly democratic regime of government, the printing of money should not be a power held by one (or a small number of) families, who do so by usury An Essay On The History Of Banking https://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/ A Historical Perspective: The Banking Monopoly I. Introduction: The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 In 1913, the U.S. Congress passed a bill called the Federal Reserve Act. This bill allowed an independent, non-government group to privatize, and take control of America’s monetary system. The Federal Reserve Bank’s name was chosen by this group so as to deceive the American people into believing that the Federal Reserve was a branch of the U.S. government. This privately held monopoly continues even today to give enormous power to a handful of international bankers, non-Americans, to issue America’s money, to set interest rates, to finance endless wars, and to enslave the American citizens, and the other nations of the world in a state of perpetual debt. This debt based monetary system is what has destroyed the American economy, and has brought with it depressions, and recessions for several generations. This will continue, until the Federal Reserve, and the fractional reserve lending practices of the centralized banks ceases to exist. In 1923, Representative Charles A. Lindbergh, a Republican from Minnesota, and father of the famous aviator “Lucky” Lindberg stated, “The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s money.” Former chairman of the House Banking, and Currency Committee, during the great depression era, Louis T. McFadden stated in 1932, “We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States, and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.”
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 10:10:56 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/destruction-american-liberty
"It is not a coincidence that for the first 125 years of American life, there was no income tax, IRS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, education grants, drug laws, central planning, economic regulation, public schooling, Federal Reserve,"
for the first 100 years of americunt 'history' there was S L A V E R Y, land theft on a continental scale and ethnic cleansing. Not to mention national banks, tariffs (one of the causes of the civil war), puritan witch-burning psychos, and a long list of other crimes.
the bad faith of supreme scumbags like jakobo hornberger and americunt libertarians is infinite.
The above is actually conflation - conflating or associating two separate things as though one cancels out the other. Conflation is not useful to progressing an argument, although (if your interlocutor is insufficiently familiar with conflations) it can be useful to shut down a conversation.
there isn't any conflation. I linked an article from a fake libertarian babbling about 'american freedom'. I quoted a relevant part, but had you bothered to read the article you should have seen that piece of shit honber-whatever pretends that 'american liberty' was 'destroyed' at some point. So I pointed out that only the insane or the infinitely dishonest can pretend that there ever was any 'american liberty'. Unless they mean jefferson and franklin being 'free' to own slaves. Furthermore if you bothered to learn the history of banking in the US cesspool you'd know that the so called federal reserve was NOT the first state bank by any means and that govcorp banking fraud was widespread during the 19th century, though somewhat limited thanks to the gold standard. Here's another insane bit from that article "It wasn’t always this way in America. For more than 150 years, the American people lived under a governmental system in which federal officials lacked the power to deprive them of life, liberty, or property without due process of law " Have I ever mentioned slavery...and all the other crimes against humanity that honber's government commited. So again, what is this fucking nutcase talking about, please?
So we have various facts:
- pre-1913, no income tax, no Federal Reserve
did I mention that there were other government banks before that one?
- also pre-1913, slavery, ethnic cleansing etc
so there never was any 'american liberty'. And you can't destroy something that never existed. QED.
We don't throw out the facts surrounding the unconstitutional and illegal and immoral Federal Reserve,
I'm not doing that. I'm merely pointing out that the current US central bank is just that. The current one.
Now, once again, as you so kindly asked for me to do a little research for you and provide some readily clickable facts, I shall do so :)
Go actually do some research and learn about 19th century banking. While you're doing that, look up "bank of england", "bank of sweden" as well.
The Federal Reserve Act:
- is unconstitutional
lawl " Section 8 - Powers of Congress To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, " WHAHAHA - the worst scumbags on the planet have magically granted themselves the 'power' to 'coin' 'money', 'regulate' its 'value'(!!!!!) including 'foreign' money. The americunt consitution was a contract between slave owning criminals who 'granted' themselves the power to do whatever the fuck they wanted. Magic! "Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States No State shall ; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;" Now, what that means is that the 'power' to counterfeit 'money' has been transferred to the national government. The individual 'states' can't 'emit bills of credit', but the national govt (which is just the states...) can. Doublethink is doubleplusgood!!! Guess what? nor zerohedge nor any other piece of shit 'libertarian' will tell you any of this.
just a sample of what sort of scum your 'libertarian' fascist source zerohedge is
Zerohedge has the occasional "in house" article, but is mostly a link aggregator but includes the content of the linked articles on the site itself. Just as an individual human ought be "handled" according to what he says and does in any particular event, so too should an article (or "blog" etc) be considered based on its content, rather than on the (arbitrary) parent URL - notwithstanding that we can aggregate and identify patterns of bias etc. Let's handle relevant facts. Event 10 irrelevancies do not detract from the relevance of an actual fact. So we owe it to ourselves to identify facts which are relevant, and to dismiss that which is irrelevant (or outright wrong of course).
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