SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories? http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-... "The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
Just vamping on the subject line, because the real version of Nazi history would dissuade too many Americans from 'alt-right' activities. All in all a stupid question not worth time spent in discussion. Rr On 02/20/2017 10:47 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-...
"The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
Funny, I've read that book years ago. It was decent. Had no idea there was a TV show .. some more crap to waste my brain on ;) On February 21, 2017 9:59:57 AM EST, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Just vamping on the subject line, because the real version of Nazi history would dissuade too many Americans from 'alt-right' activities. All in all a stupid question not worth time spent in discussion.
Rr
On 02/20/2017 10:47 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-...
"The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new
adaptation
of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This
has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Ahh, joo Razer will enlighten the world with his unique, unverified and unsupportable, truth. And the heathens who disagree with him he shall raze to their graves, ensuring their disagreement doesn't infect others with any inclination to actual investigation and facts. "But it's only a little censorship and self preservation" says Razer. "No Razer, killing humans you disagree with is murder" says everyone with that second unbonged neurone. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 06:59:57AM -0800, Razer wrote:
Just vamping on the subject line, because the real version of Nazi history would dissuade too many Americans from 'alt-right' activities. All in all a stupid question not worth time spent in discussion.
Rr
On 02/20/2017 10:47 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-...
"The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
Well he’s correct in a way - in 1962 Philip K Dick wrote a novel called Man In The High Tower - several of his books have already been made into movies and television shows. He was mainly into extremely speculative, futurist Science-Fiction - Total Recall, Bladerunner, A Scanner Darkly - all from his pen. He dealt heavily with Gnostic ideas, hidden knowledge and spiritual notions of early christianity, the divine veil - he wrote some very strong material. There are reports that he had "mental health issues” though who knows what that means - I don’t know anyone who doesn’t, but he was definitely not a neo-NAZI, philosophically - you can gather this from his writing, particularly in his Exegesis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick> where he describes his contact with VALIS - Vast Active Living Intelligence System - he had other things on his mind. In short, i think the described proliferation of the alternate histories in the early 60s, and again now coincide with release and re-release of his novel - which was inspired by Ward’s novel using the same idea, that the other side had won the war, with the American Civil War… PKD was a great mind and singular poet, his loss is sad for artists. Hope you don’t mind me replying personally, don’t want to cause anyone to splash noise on the list because they feel compelled to disagree with me out of spite or annoyance or whatever, hope you’re well, JC - ---- Joshua Case jwcase@gmail.com <mailto:jwcase@gmail.com> “International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."
On Feb 21, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-... <http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-nazi-histories-73157>
"The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
Apologies, I had intentionally thought to send to a single user, but hit the whole list inadvertently - i am too stupid to have an email account. Please forgive.
On Feb 21, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joshua Case <jwcase@gmail.com> wrote:
Well he’s correct in a way - in 1962 Philip K Dick wrote a novel called Man In The High Tower - several of his books have already been made into movies and television shows. He was mainly into extremely speculative, futurist Science-Fiction - Total Recall, Bladerunner, A Scanner Darkly - all from his pen.
He dealt heavily with Gnostic ideas, hidden knowledge and spiritual notions of early christianity, the divine veil - he wrote some very strong material. There are reports that he had "mental health issues” though who knows what that means - I don’t know anyone who doesn’t, but he was definitely not a neo-NAZI, philosophically - you can gather this from his writing, particularly in his Exegesis <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick> where he describes his contact with VALIS - Vast Active Living Intelligence System - he had other things on his mind.
In short, i think the described proliferation of the alternate histories in the early 60s, and again now coincide with release and re-release of his novel - which was inspired by Ward’s novel using the same idea, that the other side had won the war, with the American Civil War…
PKD was a great mind and singular poet, his loss is sad for artists.
Hope you don’t mind me replying personally, don’t want to cause anyone to splash noise on the list because they feel compelled to disagree with me out of spite or annoyance or whatever,
hope you’re well, JC
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---- Joshua Case jwcase@gmail.com <mailto:jwcase@gmail.com>
“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."
On Feb 21, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com <mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com>> wrote:
SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-... <http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-nazi-histories-73157>
"The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
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