on anarchy [was: propaganda on "hurdles for law enforcement"]
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
... Anarchists are interesting... because they have an affinity towards nothing, they're resistant towards everything, and proposing anything. Perhaps that is worthy of certain degree of respects.
authentic anarchists are not about "nothing"; that would be the nihilists. anarchism is about autonomy, personal responsibility, utmost liberty. delegating what should not be delegated to corrupt(ing) centralized powers is the source of great harm and suffering across humanity. the heart of anarchism is opposing centralized control and power, whether unitary or hierarchical, in all domains of life. anarchism has the potential to be most robust and most just, in the same way that well built fully decentralized systems are robust against classes of faults endemic in centralized structures. rational anarchy, however, does appear to require a higher class of human animal than currently populates the planet... best regards,
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:53:23 -0700 coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
... Anarchists are interesting... because they have an affinity towards nothing, they're resistant towards everything, and proposing anything. Perhaps that is worthy of certain degree of respects.
authentic anarchists are not about "nothing"; that would be the nihilists.
anarchism is about autonomy, personal responsibility, utmost liberty. delegating what should not be delegated to corrupt(ing) centralized powers is the source of great harm and suffering across humanity. the heart of anarchism is opposing centralized control and power, whether unitary or hierarchical, in all domains of life.
anarchism has the potential to be most robust and most just, in the same way that well built fully decentralized systems are robust against classes of faults endemic in centralized structures.
rational anarchy, however, does appear to require a higher class of human animal than currently populates the planet...
"does appear to require a higher class of human animal" Maybe so. But I'm sure you know the next few lines in the play =P If 'humans' are unable to solve their political problems by means of individual cooperation, then a HUMAN and coercitive government is going to make matters worse. People can't actually govern themselves but they can elect other PEOPLE to...governm them. And delegate to their masters an ability they don't have! Now that's some Pristine logic! Sorry, gotta run. Something is burning! (I'm glad I have a few gallons of gas to put the fire out)
best regards,
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:48:56PM -0300, Juan wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:53:23 -0700 coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
... Anarchists are interesting... because they have an affinity towards nothing, they're resistant towards everything, and proposing anything. Perhaps that is worthy of certain degree of respects.
authentic anarchists are not about "nothing"; that would be the nihilists.
anarchism is about autonomy, personal responsibility, utmost liberty. delegating what should not be delegated to corrupt(ing) centralized powers is the source of great harm and suffering across humanity. the heart of anarchism is opposing centralized control and power, whether unitary or hierarchical, in all domains of life.
anarchism has the potential to be most robust and most just, in the same way that well built fully decentralized systems are robust against classes of faults endemic in centralized structures.
rational anarchy, however, does appear to require a higher class of human animal than currently populates the planet...
"does appear to require a higher class of human animal"
Maybe so. But I'm sure you know the next few lines in the play =P
If 'humans' are unable to solve their political problems by means of individual cooperation, then a HUMAN and coercitive government is going to make matters worse.
People can't actually govern themselves but they can elect other PEOPLE to...governm them. And delegate to their masters an ability they don't have! Now that's some Pristine logic!
Sorry, gotta run. Something is burning! (I'm glad I have a few gallons of gas to put the fire out)
And a great zine on all this is: Life Without Law -- An Introduction to Anarchist Politics http://www.tangledwilderness.org/life-without-law/
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:53 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
authentic anarchists are not about "nothing"; that would be the nihilists.
Being relatively closely related / along the same line in some areas, I do often mash them up. Anarchism surely more popularly known/studied than political nihilism.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:38:56 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:53 PM, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
authentic anarchists are not about "nothing"; that would be the nihilists.
Being relatively closely related / along the same line in some areas, I do often mash them up. Anarchism surely more popularly known/studied than political nihilism.
First time I come accross the term 'politica nihilism' google "political nihilism" - About 9,500 results wikitrash "Political nihilism is a branch of nihilism that follows the characteristic nihilist's rejection of non-rationalized or non-proven assertions," Hm. Now I just learnt that "nihilism" actually means something like rationalism??? Sounds off... The way you used "nihilism" in your previous message you seemed to be referring to the philosophy(?) of not "giving a damn about anything", "rejecting any moral value", et cetera. And equating political anarchy (voluntary organization) with what's ordinary known as nihilism is nonsense. This "political nihilism" thing seems like some ad hoc term, or maybe some new 'intelectual' 'fashion' or something, I personally don't find much value in introducing more confusing vocabulary...
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
... First time I come accross the term 'politica nihilism'
i find absurdism the proper ism-edit-distance betwixt existentialism and nihilism, to be honest. ... leave political plebicites to the bloviating bourgeoisie ;)
Dnia wtorek, 29 lipca 2014 23:43:35 coderman pisze:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
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First time I come accross the term 'politica nihilism'
i find absurdism the proper ism-edit-distance betwixt existentialism and nihilism, to be honest.
... leave political plebicites to the bloviating bourgeoisie ;)
I always favoured Externism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externism Can we please have political externism? Please?.. -- Pozdr rysiek
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