On 9/10/23, pro2rat@yahoo.com.au <pro2rat@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Bitcoin, TOR, bittorent & APster, all have plausible deniability as Cpunk projects.

Bram may disagree but Btc wasn't released here. Tor is govt originally & Dumbell keeps telling us he doesn't owe us a damn thing.

I think by “dumbbell” that PR is meanly (“dumbbell” is slang for “idiot”) referring to whoever made/makes bittorrent. Bittorrent happened in the rush of p2p filesharing apps after Napster was targeted and taken down. Most of these apps were fully decentralized and provided for global searching. Bittorrent was not like this — it used a centralized server for coordinating peer sharing, which gave it a few orders of magnitude tighter points of failure and easier enumeration and filtering of peers, and it relied on third party tools and hosts for searching for files, which produced an ecosystem of semiprivate communities sharing its .torrent index files. The more network-robust and easy-to-access filesharing apps never gained popularity, but Bittorrent became popular and is still in reasonably wide use. It now has more decentralized approaches for peer sharing and searching bandaided on, but the solutions may still be incomplete. I’m guessing the avoidance of global search helped Bittorrent find a niche of success more than the avoidance of full decentralization, partly due to the use of existing mainstream networks to index and share its identifiers. It possibly had to engage a situation where it needed to both be found, and avoid concerns, at the same time.

That said most, or all these things are successful enough - like Blacknet! - to go on with. On to CYPHERPUNK 2027!

APster also did yeomans work as a form of radical civil disobedience circa 1996 - 2004

Even if I can't get arrested these days. Meh.

BTW if you don't think you'll get paid maybe you're not cut out to be an anarcho-assassin?

" When cypherpunks are called terrorists we will have done our job " - old proverb