----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> ----- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:26:07 +1100 From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> To: rmspacedashrfspaceslash@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: There Will Be Civil War On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 06:54:35PM +0300, Robin Turner wrote:

What I find funny is how when the Democrats said "But Hillary won the popular vote" the Trump supporters were all "But we live in a constitutional republic, not a democracy - it's the electoral college that decide, not the people." But when there's a chance that the electoral college might not give them the result they want, it's the vote that matters, not the college. It's like the Brexitters saying it doesn't matter that the majority want to stay in the EU; the referendum is legally binding. Until the referendum stops being legally binding, then they're all "Will of the people".

In both the UK and the US, we have minorities claiming to be majorities, and plutocrats claiming to be anti-establishment.

Sir Robin

This is humorous, yes, but a little too simplistic. If the system were being properly "implemented" by the media, rather than "played, by the lame stream media", then the entire public discussion would include much discussion of the electoral college possibilities, Bernie Sanders would never have supported Hillary due to her horrendous history, and we would see an entirely more educated public discourse. Since the media (and thus the population) are dummed right down, only a simplistic two person, winner takes all race is presented to the people. In the face of how the public discourse has been played for so many years, I am confident that the system (entrenched parliamentarians/ electoral college voters) doing an about face and going "ok, despite our endless public discussion on 'winner takes all' and our commitment to that principle and our nominated winner (Trump in this particular instance) to take all our college votes, we're no going to turn around and screw your vote, since we don't agree with it", then there's a decent chance people will get truly fed up, and devolve the streets into something resembling national, persistent and game changing strife. In short, "the public discourse" as the lame stream media has played it, implies, in the minds of American voters, a contract with those voters. Breaking that contract at a key point in time will likely give rise to serious consequences. Z ----- End forwarded message -----