On Sunday, August 16, 2020, 01:04:48 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:41:32 +0000 (UTC) jim bell wrote:

Objective Reality Doesn't Exist, Quantum Experiment Shows

    So let me point the painfully obvious, which isn't that obvious to the Technofascist Fucktards (TFs).

   1) premise : Objective Reality Doesn't Exist>   2) premise : 'experiment' is part of reality  >   3) it follows : 'experiment' doesn't exist     4) conclusion : non-existent experiment 'shows' and 'proves' fuck.

    Now, one might wonder why this infinitely idiotic 'scientific' propaganda is constantly peddled? Can any fine cypherpunk on this list answer the question?

 Talk to Kurt Godel.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del     Except he's dead.    "Gödel published his two incompleteness theorems in 1931 when he was 25 years old, one year after finishing his doctorate at the University of Vienna. The first incompleteness theorem states that for any self-consistent recursive axiomatic system powerful enough to describe the arithmetic of the natural numbers (for example Peano arithmetic), there are true propositions about the natural numbers that cannot be proved from the axioms. To prove this theorem, Gödel developed a technique now known as Gödel numbering, which codes formal expressions as natural numbers. "He also showed that neither the axiom of choice nor the continuum hypothesis can be disproved from the accepted axioms of set theory, assuming these axioms are consistent. The former result opened the door for mathematicians to assume the axiom of choice in their proofs. He also made important contributions to proof theory by clarifying the connections between classical logic, intuitionistic logic, and modal logic." [end of quote] Godel messed up many lifetimes of mathematical thought by declaring that mathematics as a field was founded "on feet of clay".                      Jim Bell    

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020, 12:09:00 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:44:21 +0000 (UTC) jim bell wrote:

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[end of quote] Godel messed up many lifetimes of mathematical thought by declaring that mathematics as a field was founded "on feet of clay".  

  Hopefully you didn't invoke him to defend the quantum charlatan-fraudsters?   As far as I can tell without actually bothering to study goedels views, he 'proved' that attempts to find some ultimate foundation for mathematics were futile. If anything that goes against the reductionistic, 'science'-explains-everything, modern propaganda.

I don't say, "science explains everything".  I lean towards, "Science will eventually explain everything".                    Jim Bell      

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:14:11 -0700 Se7en wrote:

On 20-08-16 17:59:08, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:

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On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:41:32 +0000 (UTC) jim bell wrote:

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Objective Reality Doesn't Exist, Quantum Experiment Shows

by-the-way, 'reality' is that which exists. So the claim "reality doesn't exist" is at best a poorly worded contradiction in terms.

"'Reality' is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes."

-- Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD

Ha. That's a good observation. No doubt Leary was cleverer than our average, grant-seeking, pseudo-philosopher, lab-technician, phycisist-charlatan-fraudster. Sadly, in the 'real' world, govcorp 'scientific' charlatans like the one quoted by JB are regarded as Enlightened Philosophers whose self-refuting absurdities are...SUBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC 'TRUTH'. Or sumthin