Coms eagerly post-Snowden promising crypto does not mean they have stopped helping gov-com secret spying by other means, au contraire. Crypto protects only a few of many means gov-coms have to spy on public, so should not divert from those, nor from 88% Snowden docs withheld. Govs may concede crypto public protection to assure other means remain effective. Promoting public crypto as a cloak appears to be the campaign underway, now as in the 1990s, so beguiling to crypto advocates to claim a win (for the industry-org-edu to continue doing openly and secretly what it does best).
John, What, if anything, could the government do involving crypto that you wouldn't see as nefarious or two faced? On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:03 PM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Coms eagerly post-Snowden promising crypto does not mean they have stopped helping gov-com secret spying by other means, au contraire.
Crypto protects only a few of many means gov-coms have to spy on public, so should not divert from those, nor from 88% Snowden docs withheld.
Govs may concede crypto public protection to assure other means remain effective. Promoting public crypto as a cloak appears to be the campaign underway, now as in the 1990s, so beguiling to crypto advocates to claim a win (for the industry-org-edu to continue doing openly and secretly what it does best).
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I sure feel secure knowing that signature block was included - makes all the difference, makes me want to read more, but as my eyes glaze over reading the m, the Q, the IN and the BC I feel ashamed I'm so incapable, deficient as a human being. Just as well we're going to microchip injected since there's so little point in being human... On 2/21/16, Michael Best <themikebest@gmail.com> wrote:
John,
What, if anything, could the government do involving crypto that you wouldn't see as nefarious or two faced?
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:03 PM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Coms eagerly post-Snowden promising crypto does not mean they have stopped helping gov-com secret spying by other means, au contraire.
Crypto protects only a few of many means gov-coms have to spy on public, so should not divert from those, nor from 88% Snowden docs withheld.
Govs may concede crypto public protection to assure other means remain effective. Promoting public crypto as a cloak appears to be the campaign underway, now as in the 1990s, so beguiling to crypto advocates to claim a win (for the industry-org-edu to continue doing openly and secretly what it does best).
-- Veritas aequitas liberabit vos Veri universum vici
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Zenaan Harkness wrote:
I sure feel secure knowing that signature block was included - makes all the difference, makes me want to read more, but as my eyes glaze over reading the m, the Q, the IN and the BC I feel ashamed I'm so incapable, deficient as a human being. Just as well we're going to microchip injected since there's so little point in being human...
Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found Little point indeed
On 2/21/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
I sure feel secure knowing that signature block was included - makes
Not sig, merely pubkey. Secure is probably distant yet.
Just as well we're going to microchip injected since there's so little point in being human...
Sadly, the intent is to kill those who want to live (and help others live)...
On 2/21/16, Michael Best <themikebest@gmail.com> wrote:
What, if anything, could the government do involving crypto that you wouldn't see as nefarious or two faced?
Um, as crypto can be done anywhere by any individuals / consensus / delegee. Question is really, is any govt (any specific extant one, or in theory), valid / valuable / trusted, to give any such doing to, given above.
On 2/21/16, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Crypto protects only a few of many means gov-coms have to spy on public, so should not divert from those, nor from 88% Snowden docs withheld.
For all the publicity, actual release of relevant info from Snowden cache seems to have been quite the failure. Do we have a protocol for future leakers? Giving entire cache to two reporters sounds like a recipie with intention to fail, and therefore undermined from the start - either incredibly stupid, or as others have said, actually intended program.
On 2/21/16, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 2/21/16, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Crypto protects only a few of many means gov-coms have to spy on public, so should not divert from those, nor from 88% Snowden docs withheld.
For all the publicity, actual release of relevant info from Snowden cache seems to have been quite the failure.
Yes. All it proved was governments are fucking everyone, at top level programs. But not really much about exact extent where how, in your phone, fridge, isp, world, etc. The real pervasiveness of it all. And the why behind it. The documents. Terrists? Really? Lol. Creeping power grab over other humans with terrist excuse. Typical sad humanity. Or you tell us, is not a few buildings and thousand peoples acceptable risk of freedom? Here is the actuarial percent... 3000/7000000000*100 = .0000428500
Do we have a protocol for future leakers?
Giving entire cache to two reporters sounds like a recipie with intention to fail, and therefore undermined from the start - either incredibly stupid, or as others have said, actually intended program.
Original wikileaks had it right... dump and let public analyze. Though first and fine therein, WL was wrong to potentially vision self as the only one. Just as all the new onion leaksites say trust us to handle your leak. No. No trust. No rights. No scoops. New protocol is leak duplicates *widely*... all across the i2p's, tor's, traditional journos, etc. Those peoples will sort it out, in parallel. As many voices, not one. Not temple of guarded knowledge. For that is same as secret itself. But many rays of independant original interpretation.
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