https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-June/058796.html Don't worry, she worked on Google. Ups now he.And he's making a fortune. Firstly Tor now Google… It's not hard to guess which department he's working in. He didn't like his old coworkers' code skills! LOL It never surprised me that an ex-Tor employee works on Google. They deceived the people who work for privacy and little by little by little…
He didn't like his old coworkers' code skills! LOL he told some of them (Tor devs) he didn't even trust a dinner plan. Now he says he's not a Tor employee?LOL He's just one of the winners of wealth by deceiving people
On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 22:52:28 +0000 zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan@protonmail.com> wrote:
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-June/058796.html
Don't worry, she worked on Google. Ups now he.And he's making a fortune. Firstly Tor now Google… It's not hard to guess which department he's working in. He didn't like his old coworkers' code skills! LOL It never surprised me that an ex-Tor employee works on Google.
oh griffin boyce, haha - thanks for the update =) he must like joogle's motto "everything we do is evil".
They deceived the people who work for privacy and little by little by little…
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-June/058796.html This is good enough to be reposted Shawn K. Quinn : "To infiltrate an e-mail list originated from private computer systems with off-topic posts, and then to threaten to continue doing so despite being banned from that list is against the law in most states and I believe violates Federal law ... I support the Tor Project taking legal action against any such offenders if that becomes necessary." The context here was massive censorship on the tor mailing lists, and then quinn further threatening people with US government murder. Quinn, yet another jewel gracing this fine mailing list.
On 2/2/22 17:32, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
The context here was massive censorship on the tor mailing lists, and
The Tor mailing list has a defined topic. Quashing off-topic discussion isn't what most normal people call "censorship". It would be the same situation if a bunch of people took over this list with penis enlargement ads, offshore casino ads, and other stuff completely off of the topic. In fact, I believe most such spam is already being moderated--sorry, I mean "censored"--already.
then quinn further threatening people with US government murder.
I have done no such thing. There was no mention of murder in that message, and I despise violence in all its forms. Implying otherwise shows a reckless disregard for the truth. Also, I do not now, nor have I ever, worked for any agency of any government. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On 2/2/22 19:13, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
quinn, another cookie cutter US government agent.
Again, false. In case you missed it: I DO NOT NOW, NOR HAVE I EVER, WORKED FOR ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY. If this fixation of yours that I'm somehow working for the government wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Wednesday, 02 February 2022 7:50 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On 2/2/22 17:32, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
The context here was massive censorship on the tor mailing lists, and
The Tor mailing list has a defined topic. Quashing off-topic discussion isn't what most normal people call "censorship".
It would be the same situation if a bunch of people took over this list with penis enlargement ads, offshore casino ads, and other stuff completely off of the topic. In fact, I believe most such spam is already being moderated--sorry, I mean "censored"--already.
[snip] It's too bad that you don't believe in free speech. Nearly all moderation is, in fact, censorship; that it occurs on, e.g., a private mailing list doesn't change this fact, because private entities certainly can censor, too.
On 2/3/22 20:45, lolwut wrote:
It's too bad that you don't believe in free speech. Nearly all moderation is, in fact, censorship; that it occurs on, e.g., a private mailing list doesn't change this fact, because private entities certainly can censor, too.
I believe in free speech. With the right to free speech comes responsibility. Flooding an email forum with off-topic posts is also censorship as it makes the on-topic posts much harder to find and be read. I know you would be demanding something be done if this list got 1000 messages per day and 995 of them were "Enlarge your penis safely and effectively with these pills from this Nicaraguan pharmacy" or the like. It's really not that different in the case of tor-talk. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 10:05 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs [snip]
I believe in free speech.
That's excellent if true, but please act more like it.
With the right to free speech comes responsibility. Flooding an email forum with off-topic posts is also censorship as it makes the on-topic posts much harder to find and be read.
I know you would be demanding something be done if this list got 1000 messages per day and 995 of them were "Enlarge your penis safely and effectively with these pills from this Nicaraguan pharmacy" or the like. It's really not that different in the case of tor-talk.
No, you're wrong here; I wouldn't care, for I can employ filtering or simply skip past the spam. Merely making certain posts harder to find and read is nowhere near the same as preventing the posts from even being sent in the first place. Do not censor the source, but instead let each recipient decide which messages he wishes to see on his end. [snip]
On 2/3/22 21:16, lolwut wrote:
No, you're wrong here; I wouldn't care, for I can employ filtering or simply skip past the spam. Merely making certain posts harder to find and read is nowhere near the same as preventing the posts from even being sent in the first place. Do not censor the source, but instead let each recipient decide which messages he wishes to see on his end.
Okay, 100,000 messages per day, and 99,995 of them are "Enlarge your penis with these Nicaraguan pharmacy pills". What's the point of continuing to download thousands of crap messages just to maybe get the few worth reading? You see how it's censorship to flood a list with off-topic crap now? If not, imagine the mailing list host turning off the list because there's simply too much spam. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 10:20 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On 2/3/22 21:16, lolwut wrote:
No, you're wrong here; I wouldn't care, for I can employ filtering or simply skip past the spam. Merely making certain posts harder to find and read is nowhere near the same as preventing the posts from even being sent in the first place. Do not censor the source, but instead let each recipient decide which messages he wishes to see on his end.
Okay, 100,000 messages per day, and 99,995 of them are "Enlarge your penis with these Nicaraguan pharmacy pills". What's the point of continuing to download thousands of crap messages just to maybe get the few worth reading?
Yet how simple would it be to filter all this?
You see how it's censorship to flood a list with off-topic crap now?
If not, imagine the mailing list host turning off the list because there's simply too much spam.
Maybe in extreme edge cases like this, but even then I cannot ever see how any reasonable person could think to get law enforcement involved, as you had earlier indicated; again, it is blowing something far out of proportion, and crying to the government for help rather than seeking other solutions.
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:20:03 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
Okay, 100,000 messages per day, and 99,995 of them are "Enlarge your penis
making bullshit up as you go eh? Yeah sending 100,000 messages per day would be a pretty heavy DoS attack - and that has exactly fuck to do with sending 3 ON-TOPIC messages per day with content you don't like. Which was the reason why were banned.
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 10:50 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:20:03 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
Okay, 100,000 messages per day, and 99,995 of them are "Enlarge your penis
making bullshit up as you go eh? Yeah sending 100,000 messages per day would be a pretty heavy DoS attack - and that has exactly fuck to do with sending 3 ON-TOPIC messages per day with content you don't like. Which was the reason why were banned.
Regarding the topic of DoS/DDoS attacks, did you know that they are illegal in the U.S., Punk? (I am aware that you live outside of this country, so I wanted to verify.) I recall the days when imageboard communities used to DDoS each other all the time, and there was a sort of a gentleman's agreement that no side would run to law enforcement with their tails behind their legs, and snitch on the other fellow; instead, if somebody DDoS'd your site or server, you would DDoS theirs in retaliation. *That* is how men handled things on the wild, free, and chaotic expanse that is cyberspace.
On 2/3/22 22:06, lolwut wrote:
*That* is how men handled things on the wild, free, and chaotic expanse that is cyberspace.
That's the law of the jungle, analogous to two cavemen banging each other with the equivalent of the biggest clubs they can find until one dies surrenders. I'd like to think we as a society are more civilized than that. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 11:23 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On 2/3/22 22:06, lolwut wrote:
*That* is how men handled things on the wild, free, and chaotic expanse that is cyberspace.
That's the law of the jungle, analogous to two cavemen banging each other with the equivalent of the biggest clubs they can find until one dies surrenders.
I'd like to think we as a society are more civilized than that.
Well, now, I thought that this was a crypto-*anarchist* mailing list that believed in freedom. Let me guess, you think that DDoS'ing should be illegal, and also that the CFAA shouldn't be repealed? That state of affairs which I previously described was the Internet I grew up with, and the one to which I wholeheartedly believe we should return. Excuse me, but things are getting a bit too authoritarian tonight for my tastes.
On 2/3/22 23:09, lolwut wrote:
Well, now, I thought that this was a crypto-*anarchist* mailing list that believed in freedom. Let me guess, you think that DDoS'ing should be illegal,
It is, for fairly obvious reasons.
and also that the CFAA shouldn't be repealed?
The law as written may need some updating/fixing, but not a wholesale repeal.
That state of affairs which I previously described was the Internet I grew up with, and the one to which I wholeheartedly believe we should return.
There were a lot of things that happened back then that I'm in no hurry to see return (among them, what seemed like a never-ending stream of spamvertisements for penis enlargement pills and the like). Through most of the 1990s it was basically "there's no law against that, because it happened on the Internet". Not every law passed to fix a problem was perfect, but they were all passed for definite reasons, some better reasons than others, and some probably could benefit from a little updating by now. Just because the laws as written aren't perfect doesn't mean we should "format C: and start from scratch". -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
just to clarify here, my understanding is that is a non-moderated community and any list-wide moderation is non-forthright and appropriately called censorship. if the posts here become scalpel-like targeted mind control made by powerful ai slavery systems to turn us all into hamburgers, that's dangerous and people should be appropriately warned. but in general excessive posting would be considered self-doxing, the poster or their organisation opening themselves to being tracked by quiet hackers. dunno whether that's actually true. personally i've seen communities collapse repeatedly from spam. i infer many solutions exist.
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 23:06:10 -0500 "lolwut" <lolwut9001@cock.li> wrote:
Regarding the topic of DoS/DDoS attacks, did you know that they are illegal in the U.S., Punk?
I assumed they were, but now that you mention it, I just remembered there used to be services to 'stress test' websites that could be used to do DoS attacks in practice? And you could pay with a credit card =P
(I am aware that you live outside of this country, so I wanted to verify.) I recall the days when imageboard communities used to DDoS each other all the time, and there was a sort of a gentleman's agreement that no side would run to law enforcement with their tails behind their legs, and snitch on the other fellow; instead, if somebody DDoS'd your site or server, you would DDoS theirs in retaliation. *That* is how men handled things on the wild, free, and chaotic expanse that is cyberspace.
hehehe =)
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 11:27 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 23:06:10 -0500 "lolwut" <lolwut9001@cock.li> wrote:
Regarding the topic of DoS/DDoS attacks, did you know that they are illegal in the U.S., Punk?
I assumed they were, but now that you mention it, I just remembered there used to be services to 'stress test' websites that could be used to do DoS attacks in practice? And you could pay with a credit card =P
If there are, I fully support their existence and use. It is an absurdity that DDoS'ing is illegal in none other than the "land of freedom".
(I am aware that you live outside of this country, so I wanted to verify.) I recall the days when imageboard communities used to DDoS each other all the time, and there was a sort of a gentleman's agreement that no side would run to law enforcement with their tails behind their legs, and snitch on the other fellow; instead, if somebody DDoS'd your site or server, you would DDoS theirs in retaliation. *That* is how men handled things on the wild, free, and chaotic expanse that is cyberspace.
hehehe =)
It's always fun to reminisce about the glory days!
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:05:11 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On 2/3/22 20:45, lolwut wrote:
It's too bad that you don't believe in free speech. Nearly all moderation is, in fact, censorship; that it occurs on, e.g., a private mailing list doesn't change this fact, because private entities certainly can censor, too.
I believe in free speech. With the right to free speech comes responsibility. Flooding an email forum with off-topic posts is also censorship
Nobody did that. The messages were 100% tor-related. Quinn is also a braindead liar. Shocking.
as it makes the on-topic posts much harder to find and be read.
And that is yet another idiotic lie. If you know somebody is posting 'off-topic' stuff that badly, you can trivially filter him, at your end.
I know you would be demanding something be done if this list got 1000 messages per day and 995 of them were "Enlarge your penis safely and effectively with these pills from this Nicaraguan pharmacy"
So quinn is now admiting he's fully totally and completely computer illiterate - he doesn't know how to setup a filter in his MUA. I guess being computer illiterate is just just what one can expect from 'cypherpunks' like quinn.
or the like. It's really not that different in the case of tor-talk.
except, everything you said is a lie.
On 2/3/22, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
"Enlarge your penis safely and effectively with these pills from this Nicaraguan pharmacy" or the like. It's really not that different in the case of tor-talk.
Bullshit. The censored people and posts have been speaking topically about tor, and Tor issues... not penile pharma. The real penises on Tor's lists blogs and forums are Tor's little censor weenies hiding behind their delete-posts button.
they are accepting funding from the US government if that is indeed the case.
IF ?!?! This has been ongoing fact since day one 20+ years ago through to this very day. It's utterly laughable that Tor apologists are still trying to deny that.
I believe in free speech. With the right to free speech comes responsibility. Flooding an email forum with off-topic posts is also censorship as it makes the on-topic posts much harder to find and be read.
You believe in free speech but you're ratting the people in here.You remind us of American law but you think you're cypherpunk.LOL
Nobody must blindly obey the law.I believe this.We were born in this system and we were imposed on the rules of state and state.No one asked me if I wanted this but ı don't wanted this. Essential Difference Between Stateless and the State: Freedom,Anonymity,No surveillance.... Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ------- Original Message ------- zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan@protonmail.com> 4 Şubat 2022 Cuma saat 22:25 tarihinde yazdı:
I believe in free speech. With the right to free speech comes
responsibility. Flooding an email forum with off-topic posts is also censorship as it makes the on-topic posts much harder to find and be read. You believe in free speech but you're ratting the people in here.You remind us of American law but you think you're cypherpunk.LOL
Shawn K. Quinn : "To infiltrate an e-mail list originated from
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 Sent: Wednesday, 02 February 2022 6:32 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs [snip] private computer systems with off-topic posts, and then to threaten to continue doing so despite being banned from that list is against the law in most states and I believe violates Federal law ... I support the Tor Project taking legal action against any such offenders if that becomes necessary." Christ, this sounds *exactly* what I would expect some sixty-something computer-illiterate Boomer to say. We aren't even talking about, e.g., posts attempting to incite violence or threatening somebody, but merely *off-topic* replies, and Shawn here wants to get law enforcement involved over mere ban evasion? Truly, this is an example of blowing something far out of proportion, and running to the government for help like a little bitch over something that, firstly, is not even that serious, and, secondly, is an inevitable part of the Internet. This is one of the least cypherpunk things I have ever read on this list. Why the hell are you even here, Shawn? [snip]
On 2/3/22 20:38, lolwut wrote:
This is one of the least cypherpunk things I have ever read on this list. Why the hell are you even here, Shawn?
Because the moderator hasn't removed me yet. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 10:21 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs
On 2/3/22 20:38, lolwut wrote:
This is one of the least cypherpunk things I have ever read on this list. Why the hell are you even here, Shawn?
Because the moderator hasn't removed me yet.
Hah, so you do have a sense of humor after all. Even though you wrote complete nonsense earlier, I wouldn't want you to be censored, either.
quinn wrote :
I support the Tor Project taking legal action against any such offenders if that becomes necessary
quinn wrote :
There was no mention of murder in that message, and I despise violence in all its forms.
so quinn is calling for US government nazis to take 'legal actions' while at the same time pretending that he 'despises violence'. It looks as if quinn doesn't understand that the 'legal actions' of the US government are just violence and will ultimately result in the targets of such 'actions' being murderer, if they try to assert their human rights. so quinn claims "I despise violence" while calling for violence. That is how stupid government agents are.
On 2/2/22 19:56, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
quinn wrote :
I support the Tor Project taking legal action against any such offenders if that becomes necessary
quinn wrote :
There was no mention of murder in that message, and I despise violence in all its forms.
so quinn is calling for US government ***** to take 'legal actions' while at the same time pretending that he 'despises violence'. It looks as if quinn doesn't understand that the 'legal actions' of the US government are just violence and will ultimately result in the targets of such 'actions' being murderer, if they try to assert their human rights.
If you are so stupid as to believe this I don't know what else there is to say. Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence.
so quinn claims "I despise violence" while calling for violence. That is how stupid government agents are.
I'm not calling for violence, and once again: I do not now and have never worked for any government agency, and further, I likely never will. This includes Federal, state, city, county, whether United States or foreign. If you had actually read my blogs, you would know that I'm far too vocal of a critic of idiotic government actions (particularly local police) to express that viewpoint openly and remain employed in whatever cushy government job you think I have. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 20:06:40 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
If you are so stupid as to believe this I don't know what else there is to say.
Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence.
are you again pretending to ignore the fact that the whole 'legal' system is 'enFORCEd' by criminal violence, can only exist thanks to violence, and will murder anyone who doesn't obey? You can't grasp the fundamental nature of your 'legal' system? what, exactly, do you think happens when you don't obey the dictates of your 'legal' system? what do you think so called 'law enFORCEment' is? What do you think FORCE means?
Legal remedies are undertaken
'legal' 'remedies' are ENFORCED by cops.
If you had actually read my blogs, you would know that I'm far too vocal of a critic of idiotic government actions (particularly local police)
police? You mean, the murderers who will murder anybody who doesn't obey your 'legal' system?
to express that viewpoint openly and remain employed in whatever cushy government job you think I have.
you are a government agent because you advocate all kinds of government crimes. It doesn't matter if you get directly paid and are listed on their payroll or are paid by 'indirect' means. And even if you didn't get any benefit, you would still be an agent if you amorally sided with them. Like you do.
On 2/2/22 20:21, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
you are a government agent because you advocate all kinds of government crimes. It doesn't matter if you get directly paid and are listed on their payroll or are paid by 'indirect' means. And even if you didn't get any benefit, you would still be an agent if you amorally sided with them. Like you do.
I don't know what you're under the influence of, but please don't ingest these substances before posting in the future. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 20:23:53 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
I don't know what you're under the influence of, but please don't ingest these substances before posting in the future.
hey motherfucking piece of shit, how come you ignored the part when I clearly explained again that you are calling for murder? And what are you? Oh yes, a US government agent who wants the US government to ultimately murder people who joing a mailing list 'without permission'.
Some [ex-] employees and minions have been known to try playing and failed, unfortunate that people in whatever their next destinations may have to tolerate, or leave to avoid, them. Yet more interesting, and supportable and good, could be some new ex's who change and leave to come and speak out for better things and ways. Whistleblowing and leaking shall never cease to be valid forms of self expression conscience rehabilitation freedom new direction high free speech etc. Also of consideration could be that private topic lists that do not claim to be providing any free and open goods/services/speech to the public, could have more basis for blocking than the tor fora which hypocritically claims to be for open free speech and providing such things in the public interest... that requires high free speech to even come close to succeeding on such goal. Saying that you have public fora to come talk about tor, then not allowing people to talk about tor... is high public failure. Peanut-Butter-Soup is right... Calling for govt enforcement (ultimately murder) against free speech in ostensibly public fora seems quite poor. It is also unknown how long those who call for that would survive in less hypocritical speaking places such as Speakers Corner or the equivalent spaces in their country, before running away bleating for Govt Enforcement against free speech. And the resulting loss to their own free speech would be immense. Tor Project Incorporated are known censors and hypocrites. Same for two other lists that hypocritically claim and advertise to be all about free speech. Dishonesty about, and hypocrisy of, freespeech... is fraud. Either way, Tor Project has been exposed and cannot be considered as being for freedom of speech in that way. Donors, users, devs, and operators can decide for themselves if that matters to them. If it does, then Tor the software should be forked far away from Tor Project and its minions. Regardless of Tor, completely new p2p network projects should definitely be started up to compete with tor. Not least because an infamous spy agency admitted... "Tor Stinks -- NSA"
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 20:06:40 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
If you are so stupid as to believe this I don't know what else there is to say.
Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence.
are you again pretending to ignore the fact that the whole 'legal' system is 'enFORCEd' by criminal violence, can only exist thanks to violence, and will murder anyone who doesn't obey? You can't grasp the fundamental nature of your 'legal' system? what, exactly, do you think happens when you don't obey the dictates of your 'legal' system? what do you think so called 'law enFORCEment' is? What do you think FORCE means?
Legal remedies are undertaken
'legal' 'remedies' are ENFORCED by cops.
If you had actually read my blogs, you would know that I'm far too vocal of a critic of idiotic government actions (particularly local police)
police? You mean, the murderers who will murder anybody who doesn't obey your 'legal' system?
All of the odious rubbish that would have been quoted has been snipped... Oh shit, there's nothing left to respond to. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
The points Punk-Stasi raises are common anarchist values. It's notable that in the usa the police usually do not physically murder people (although it happens occasionally on a regular basis). The actions of government and enforcement do cause a lot of indirect death that people fight. but most don't think about this. I've been directly exposed to how forced eviction of panhandlers from public areas can murder those with limited options who needed shelter for the winter, but I think people usually consider larger impacts. Community libel is not anarchist, of course. Criticism belongs aimed at abuse of power, not community discourse.
When the homeless camps between the highways and railroads in a city were "cleaned up", the entire areas were clearcut of vegetation. Many were protected wetlands. People's tents and sleeping bags were physically slashed and confiscated. The people this happens to don't have avenues for legal action, they are busy figuring out how to survive. After Occupy Wall Street, which had turned into networks of homeless shelters, this happened across the world. Some blame inaccurate messaging to law enforcement from their superiors. Of course, Shawn stated they are familiar with police abuses.
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:38:41 +0000 "Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many" <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
The points Punk-Stasi raises are common anarchist values.
It's notable that in the usa the police usually do not physically murder people (although it happens occasionally on a regular basis).
There's nothing notable about it. People prefer to lose their freedom instead of their lives. But if they resisted, they would be murdererd by quinn's cops. The police in the US is especially brutal - and they can murder anyone (who is not a govcorp member) by saying "i feared for my life". It would be hilarious if it weren't insane. Did you know that the US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet? That's quinn's 'legal' system. Same system he wants to use to defend the tor criminals. Shocking.
The actions of government and enforcement do cause a lot of indirect death that people fight. but most don't think about this. I've been directly exposed to how forced eviction of panhandlers from public areas can murder those with limited options who needed shelter for the winter, but I think people usually consider larger impacts.
That's another good example.
Community libel is not anarchist, of course.
You mean making it clear what sort of criminal quinn is? And why do you think he's a member of the 'cypherpunk' community anyway? quinn is a tor apologist - a US military accomplice. Plus, 'libel' is a non-crime invented by the state.
Criticism belongs aimed at abuse of power, not community discourse.
Criticism is to be aimed at people who promote the use of power, like quinn clearly does. He wants to use the US 'legal' nazi system to get rid of people who criticize tor(==the US military).
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 Sent: Thursday, 03 February 2022 10:38 AM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: shawn quinn is a US advocate of murder. [snip]
Plus, 'libel' is a non-crime invented by the state.
[snip] Once again, it is Punk who has shown any grasp of true cypherpunk/anarchist/libertarian values. Libel, slander, defamation, and obscenity are all nonsense "crimes" which fly against freedom of speech.
On 2/3/22 09:37, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
Did you know that the US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet? That's quinn's 'legal' system. Same system he wants to use to defend the tor criminals. Shocking.
I'm not proud of this and I am working to change it.
Criticism is to be aimed at people who promote the use of power, like quinn clearly does. He wants to use the US 'legal' **** system
"Get rid of" is inaccurate. "Ordered by a judge to cease and desist" would be closer. I will concede our government is far from perfect and I don't necessarily approve of every single thing they do (read the first blog linked in my sig for examples, particularly my outrage at shooting innocent family dogs because they bark one too many times and the like).
to get rid of people who criticize tor(==the US military).
The Tor Project is not a branch of the US military. I do find it a subject of unease that they are accepting funding from the US government if that is indeed the case. To say the least, I can see possibilities of conflict of interest. -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:15:43 -0600 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:
On 2/3/22 09:37, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
Did you know that the US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet? That's quinn's 'legal' system. Same system he wants to use to defend the tor criminals. Shocking.
I'm not proud of this and I am working to change it.
Fine. So maybe you want to think twice before trying to use that 'legal' system to SILENCE people posting ON-TOPIC messages on a mailing list for an allegedly ANTI-CENSORSHIP project FUNDED with PUBLIC MONEY.
Criticism is to be aimed at people who promote the use of power, like quinn clearly does. He wants to use the US 'legal' **** system
"Get rid of" is inaccurate. "Ordered by a judge to cease and desist" would be closer.
Come on. Different words, same thing.
I will concede our government is far from perfect and I don't necessarily approve of every single thing they do (read the first blog linked in my sig for examples, particularly my outrage at shooting innocent family dogs because they bark one too many times and the like).
Feel free to admit that the legal system of any government, including of course the US', is maintened using naked violence, and can't exist without violence. Or keep playing games.
to get rid of people who criticize tor(==the US military).
The Tor Project is not a branch of the US military. I do find it a subject of unease that they are accepting funding from the US government if that is indeed the case.
The tor project has received 10s of millions from the US government, it's documented everywhere, and you know it.
To say the least, I can see possibilities of conflict of interest.
you bet
-----Original Message----- From: cypherpunks [mailto:cypherpunks-bounces@lists.cpunks.org] On Behalf Of Shawn K. Quinn Sent: Wednesday, 02 February 2022 9:07 PM To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Ex- Tor devs [snip]
If you are so stupid as to believe this I don't know what else there is to say.
Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence.
[snip] Except that, in this case, it was mere ban evasion for posting off-topic messages on a mailing list. Do you really, honestly believe that any actual violence would have resulted from this? Meanwhile, you were the one who advocated for getting law enforcement and the government involved over something as innocuous as ban evasion. While I don't disagree in general with your statement that "Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence", in this instance you were so utterly, embarrassingly, and stupidly wrong that I simply could not refrain from pointing it out.
On 2/3/22 20:51, lolwut wrote:
Meanwhile, you were the one who advocated for getting law enforcement and the government involved over something as innocuous as ban evasion.
Ban evasion for the purpose of continuing to post off-topic garbage to an online forum (email list), so effectively ban evasion for the purpose of furthering censorship (hindering legitimate use of the forum). -- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:51:14 -0500 "lolwut" <lolwut9001@cock.li> wrote:
Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence.
[snip]
Except that, in this case, it was mere ban evasion for posting off-topic messages on a mailing list. Do you really, honestly believe that any actual violence would have resulted from this?
As a side note, we* were not posting off-topic messages. And we certainly were not posting viagra advertising. We were discussing tor's funding, tor's flaws, tor's role as a US cyberweapon, and the way one of tor's employees(appelbaum) was digitally lynched by the 'tor project', among other tor-related topics. The reason we were kicked out was that we discussed many on-topic subjects they didn't want to hear about. (* 'we' were Cecilia, Zenaan, I think Alex, me and maybe others)
Meanwhile, you were the one who advocated for getting law enforcement and the government involved over something as innocuous as ban evasion. While I don't disagree in general with your statement that "Legal remedies are undertaken so as to avoid the use of violence", in this instance you were so utterly, embarrassingly, and stupidly wrong that I simply could not refrain from pointing it out.
shawn k. quinn : "To infiltrate an e-mail list originated from private computer systems with off-topic posts, and then to threaten to continue doing so despite being banned from that list is against the law in most states and I believe violates Federal law ... I support the Tor Project taking legal action against any such offenders if that becomes necessary." And here's another key fact. Most if not all of the people who were at that time censored by the 'tor project', that is the US military, were NOT subjects of the US government. So this US governmetn turd quinn was calling for his US nazi governmetn to 'take legal action' against people completely outside of the so miscalled 'jurisdiction' of US nazis. No doubt Quinn expects his nazi government to apply the assange treatment to anybody in the world who does as much as writing a sentence he and his nazi government don't like. At the same time, quinn's criminal advocacy shows that like the good US nazi cunt he is, he takes for granted that US nazi government rules the world.
private computer systems
but the computers of the tor turds are not private. They have been paid for with money stolen from people all over the world (dollar inflation and outright theft).
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