Re: Fwd: Do ethnic Germans have the right to racial and cultural strength? - was Re: At a Berlin church, Muslim refugees converting in droves.
On 9/10/15, C wrote:
In the face of genetics, which reveals that inter-german variability far outstrips the genetic basis of what we define as "race", I'd like to see you define "Ethnicity" meaningfully.
What does that matter to the essence of the question? The fundamental question is the same, whatever words we use. A rose is a rose by any other name. Perhaps we could ask "currently franchised (those who may vote) Germans" - the point is, do those who are presently gathered in a current physical 'locality' have the right to protect their current racial/ genetic/ demographic/ cultural/ political/ religious "mix", whatever it is, against dilution from immigration, asylum, "democratic" coup (e.g. Ukraine today) or religious missionaries of any faith? The opium wars in China suggest that trying to infiltrate ones religion into a 'foreign' nation may not be altogether appreciated by the locals - and Islamic Muslims are pretty vehement about this too from what I hear - why shouldn't predominantly Christian (or atheistic, or ...) nations be similarly intolerant to a diluting influx of those of different think?
This is equally topical to the Conch Republic; as others visit and settle on their soil, how do they defend their innate Conch-ness ethnicity from outside dilution? I demand answers.
Well yes, about a day after the email starting this thread, I sent a similar one modified appropriately for Australians as an on-topic reply to another email about Australia's increase in "Syrian refugees" now also to occur here - but I figured for the purposes of this list that one version of essentially the same email was probably enough :) --- So do we citizens of [pick your nation] have the right to protect the status quo within our nation, to protect it against dilution from immigration or asylum, or must we allow the attractions that our nation presents to would be immigrants (whatever arises in their mind in this regard) to be enough of a test for immigration/ asylum? I.e., do the current locals of Germany/Australia/Hungary/Italy/Greece/Conch Replubic, have a "valid right" to object to their politicians "throwing the doors wide open", as Austria and Germany have recently done? You don't have to be Nazi, to want your racial and cultural strength, however you define that thank you you're welcome. Regards Zenaan
Hi, I am german, so let's look at your question: On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:44:52PM +0000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
In the face of genetics, which reveals that inter-german variability far outstrips the genetic basis of what we define as "race", I'd like to see you define "Ethnicity" meaningfully.
What does that matter to the essence of the question?
It does. Because there's no uniform ethnicity or whatever you might call it, in a country, at least not in germany. Germans are: Saxons, Bavarians, Saarländers, Turks, Roma, Blacks, Asians, Moslems, Everything. There is a mix of people with different backgrounds, different religions (or no religion), different ancestors. Their sum forms what we know today as the "german culture", whatever that might be.
So do we citizens of [pick your nation] have the right to protect the status quo within our nation, to protect it against dilution from immigration or asylum, or must we allow the attractions that our nation presents to would be immigrants (whatever arises in their mind in this regard) to be enough of a test for immigration/ asylum?
Or course not. All humans are refugees or descendants or refugees. Look at north america. Coloured people came from africa (well, they didn't exactly "came", they've been brought), caucasians came from europe, the natives even came from siberia (50.000 years ago or something). Those migrations happened all the time during the last 2 mio years over human history. Therefore, to claim to have a right to live in a uniform culture, undisturbed by newcomers, is arrogant and absurd. And even if such a right might exist, the right to live trumps it anyway. Wanna send back children into a war zone because Oktoberfest? best, Tom
Dnia piątek, 11 września 2015 08:39:05 Tom pisze:
Wanna send back children into a war zone because Oktoberfest?
This, I believe, sums it up perfectly! -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 09:56:06AM +0200, rysiek wrote:
Dnia piątek, 11 września 2015 08:39:05 Tom pisze:
Wanna send back children into a war zone because Oktoberfest?
This, I believe, sums it up perfectly!
Indeed, "think of the children" is one of the most convincing scamming arguments I have seen. Isn't this EU's fault for closing borders (check news)? If this is the case, troll the EU, not this list. How could the dear EU close borders for CHILDREN????
Dnia piątek, 18 września 2015 19:21:01 piszesz:
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 09:56:06AM +0200, rysiek wrote:
Dnia piątek, 11 września 2015 08:39:05 Tom pisze:
Wanna send back children into a war zone because Oktoberfest?
This, I believe, sums it up perfectly!
Indeed, "think of the children" is one of the most convincing scamming arguments I have seen.
That is true. And exactly why I like it so in this context -- as usually the very people that (ab)use this "argument" when talking about pr0n, are completely, utterly blindsided by it when talking about refugees.
Isn't this EU's fault for closing borders (check news)?
It is.
If this is the case, troll the EU, not this list.
If you enable threading view in your mail user agent (you do use a sane one, that allows for this, right?), you will notice that my e-mail was in the branch replying to a certain e-mail asking about validity of such a move (albeit using different words, something about "protecting ethnicity" or somesuch). -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 9/11/15, Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
Wanna send back [Syrian] children into a war zone because Oktoberfest?
A prescient argument you have, it seems - perhaps those initial 130,000 landing just in Germany all sign this petition: https://www.change.org/p/city-of-munich-ban-the-intolerant-and-anti-islamic-... since it is after all, very important that the Germans protect against offending the refugee and immigrant cultural rights. At least the Greek police are on the job checking the humanitarian aid for all these "Syrian refugees": http://newswire.net/newsroom/news/00090322-police-in-greece-discovered-arms-... "So far, the Greek custom police found 5000 rifles and at least half a million bullets in 2 containers allegedly labeled as the “humanitarian aid” intended to the migrants from Syria who arrived in Greek migrant’s camp."
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