Re: [tor-talk] tor project website change
" torproject.org frontpage " " DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits can see is that you're using Tor. " This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded with [use case and definitional] weasel words [2]. [1] See whitepapers, discussion, G and NGO Sybil, and NSA's own statements. [2] See Tor Project Incorporated's PR and Legal departments. " The network is comprised of thousands of volunteer-run servers known as Tor relays. " And of endless numbers of more funded adversaries. Yet there is still no social or other analysis project of node meta information, providing subscribable trust options, years after routinely posting on need for same to help reduce that. " Your traffic is ... encrypted three times " Straight into lucky Sybil's decrypTOR and logfiles. Sue me for [ab]use of trademarked substrings. " Tor aims to make all users look the same " s/Tor/Tor Browser/ " cookies automatically clear " Was TLS clearing ever implemented (to be fair, perhaps yes by now)? Etc for other state machines between restarts. " BROWSE FREELY " Except services which block tor, most of which are embarrasingly braindead and/or cheap and/or drinking their own said departmental, or anti-freedom geopolitical, coolaid. " a 501(c)3 US nonprofit. " With rather curious amounts of potentially highly user adversarial funding sources. "technologies" Singular: tor. But purple onions on phones are more cute and fun than word parsing disclaimers, right? Happy browsing ;)
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 06:06:07 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
" DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits can see is that you're using Tor. "
This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded with [use case and definitional] weasel words [2].
Good to see that there's at least one voice telling the truth. On the other hand, we have Mirimir's comment.... "....Tor works well enough that implementing one of the newer designs seems unlikely" LMAO!!!! Tor works 'well enough' mirimir? Well enough for whom? I do agree that tor works well enough though. It works well enough as NSA controlled opposition. Is that what you meant?
On 03/30/2019 01:40 PM, Punk wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 06:06:07 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
" DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits can see is that you're using Tor. "
This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded with [use case and definitional] weasel words [2].
Good to see that there's at least one voice telling the truth.
On the other hand, we have Mirimir's comment....
"....Tor works well enough that implementing one of the newer designs seems unlikely"
LMAO!!!! Tor works 'well enough' mirimir? Well enough for whom? I do agree that tor works well enough though. It works well enough as NSA controlled opposition. Is that what you meant?
I mean "well enough" in the sense that nobody (as far as I know) has seriously started implementing one of the newer, and arguably better, anonymity systems. Such as ... HORNET, a system that enables high-speed end-to- end anonymous channels by leveraging next generation network architectures. HORNET is designed as a low-latency onion routing system that operates at the network layer ... Chen et al. (2015) ... or ... Riffle, a system for bandwidth- and computation-efficient anonymous communication. Riffle addresses the problems of DC-Nets and verifiable mixnets, while offering the same level of anonymity. Kwon (2015) Anyway, that statement doesn't represent my opinion on Tor's merits. It's just an observation on what's happened. Or what hasn't happened, as it were.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 06:34:36PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
On 03/30/2019 01:40 PM, Punk wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 06:06:07 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
" DEFEND AGAINST SURVEILLANCE Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. All anyone monitoring your browsing habits can see is that you're using Tor. "
This is false [1], and intentionally preloaded with [use case and definitional] weasel words [2].
Good to see that there's at least one voice telling the truth.
On the other hand, we have Mirimir's comment....
"....Tor works well enough that implementing one of the newer designs seems unlikely"
LMAO!!!! Tor works 'well enough' mirimir? Well enough for whom? I do agree that tor works well enough though. It works well enough as NSA controlled opposition. Is that what you meant?
I mean "well enough" in the sense that nobody (as far as I know) has seriously started implementing one of the newer, and arguably better, anonymity systems. Such as ...
HORNET, a system that enables high-speed end-to- end anonymous channels by leveraging next generation network architectures. HORNET is designed as a low-latency onion routing system that operates at the network layer ... Chen et al. (2015)
... or ...
Riffle, a system for bandwidth- and computation-efficient anonymous communication. Riffle addresses the problems of DC-Nets and verifiable mixnets, while offering the same level of anonymity. Kwon (2015)
DC-Net? verifiable mixnet?
Anyway, that statement doesn't represent my opinion on Tor's merits. It's just an observation on what's happened. Or what hasn't happened, as it were.
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