Re: Be alert - signs of Russian invasion may be strong
Official secretkeepers of NATO, Russia and their fearsome enemies know these kinds of stories are meant to reduce fear and defense expenditures so should be applauded as tricks of the anti-war industry which must be resisted with fearless slaughter of many terrified civilians and a tiny few luckless warfighters who drive drunk to the PTSD club and overshoot (over-drone) a construction barrier of the crumbling National Defense Highway system to sink into a toxic lake of endless war waste surrounding every military base on the planet and rapidly growing throughout the universe with application of war technology to invasion of the heavens for peaceful, merely scientific, although top secret, purposes, that is to erect intergalactic shields of protection of hapless creatures being drained of their vital fluids for nourishing the Great Gods of National and Environmental Security, now blessed by Pope Francis for the benefit of Great Architecture afficionados from St Peter to Pentagon to whereever Strangeloves squat before vast Sony plasmas of roach-squashing, fail/safe buttons neutered, flesh life as known and loathed by cryogenic demigodly automatons aimed for extinction. At 08:45 PM 6/20/2015, you wrote:
Grab a coffee for this one.
http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-non-invasion-causing-concern-european-c...
I hope it's not too shocking for folks around here.
The cited article strikes me as pollyannaish; Russia's next move is to do for eastern Estonia what it did for eastern Ukraine, but then we'd have NATO Article 5 invoked for an 85% Russian speaking population already living on Russia's border. It is therefore not unreasonable to predict that despite an unarguable Article 5 triggering, some set of European NATO members would decline to show up to do their duty. NATO is then dead against a backdrop of non-zero probability of EU dis-integration. If you are Putin, what's not to like? (What the hell this topic has to do with "the widespread use of strong cryptography as a route to progressive change" I don't know.) --dan
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:21 PM, <dan@geer.org> wrote:
is to do for eastern Estonia what it did for eastern Ukraine, but ... triggering, some set of European NATO members would decline to show ... (What the hell this topic has to do with "the widespread use of strong cryptography as a route to progressive change" I don't know.)
People, diplomats, agents, field units, drones, comms, the football, nukes, and more all use crypto. If Estonia goes Art 5, more of it activates becoming applied crypto, eventually quite possibly launching regressive change, back to pre industrial times. Is crypto there now equally available to and utilized by all opponents and thus yields no net imbalance in the game?
On 2015-06-22 05:21, dan@geer.org wrote:
The cited article strikes me as pollyannaish; Russia's next move is to do for eastern Estonia what it did for eastern Ukraine, but then we'd have NATO Article 5 invoked for an 85% Russian speaking population already living on Russia's border. It is therefore not unreasonable to predict that despite an unarguable Article 5 triggering, some set of European NATO members would decline to show up to do their duty. NATO is then dead against a backdrop of non-zero probability of EU dis-integration. If you are Putin, what's not to like?
Perhaps an equally non-zero probability that it will all go pear-shaped after all?
(What the hell this topic has to do with "the widespread use of strong cryptography as a route to progressive change" I don't know.)
+1 --Stephan
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