-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/2016 04:35 AM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:

Schneier, stating the obvious... These things happen all the time though, don't they? What good does it do to whine about it?

vs. Schneier, vomiting State sponsored wartime propaganda. Considering who pays his speaking fees, and which are the most lucrative clients in his employers' markets, that or him "packing it in" and retiring from the corporate life, was more or less inevitable. Attribution is one of the hardest things to get right in the world of network forensics. "Trust me, I have secret information" is good enough for losers and fools who have ultimate faith in State institutions, even when those institutions tell them things 100% consistent with State propaganda aims. Meanwhile, common sense might tell a more likely tale: One about how whoever the forensics guys say was inside the DNC systems, is either a) the least competent of many attackers who rattled the door knobs, or b) whoever lives in the path of a false trail laid by a competent attacker. An understanding of how the world works tells us that /many/ State Security agencies take an interest in collecting political intelligence on U.S. policy makers and their minions. Damn near all of them, in fact; any who don't simply lack the budget or manpower. :o/

9:25 AM, August 4, 2016, juan :

"Russia has attacked the US in cyberspace in an attempt to influence our national election, many experts have concluded. We need to take this national security threat seriously and both respond and defend, despite the partisan nature of this particular attack"

signed - schneier, tor supreme.

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2016-08-04 19:42 GMT+03:00 jim bell :

Double-standard?

As always. As in everything. Double. Standards. Or more precisely - a lack of any standards at all!

From: grarpamp On 8/4/16, jim bell wrote:

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think it might have been ALSO Russia. Apparently the NSA is just furious To me, the identity and motives of this specific attacker are entirely unimportant:

From a leak the docs perspective sure. But ID of the real doers still have geopolitical ramifications.

It's beginning to look more and more like it was the NSA.  After all, they built thatdata center in Utah specifically to store "all" emails.  It finally came in handy, huh?They would argue that they were given authority to collect the emails.  I don't thinkthey'd have to have additional authority to actually use them.               Jim Bell

On 08/08/2016 05:07 PM, jim bell wrote:

*From:* grarpamp

On 8/4/16, jim bell mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:

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think it might have been ALSO Russia. Apparently the NSA is just furious To me, the identity and motives of this specific attacker are entirely unimportant:

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From a leak the docs perspective sure. But ID of the real doers still have geopolitical ramifications.

It's beginning to look more and more like it was the NSA. After all, they built that data center in Utah specifically to store "all" emails. It finally came in handy, huh? They would argue that they were given authority to collect the emails. I don't think they'd have to have additional authority to actually use them.

Jim Bell

AFAIK the US puts bots on Chinese computers to attack the US to make it look like China did it for Cold War purposes, while US intel gets all your credit card dataz. Extrapolate Russia hacks DNC from that. That's my story, I'm sticking to it. Rr