How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
On 02/14/2017 10:20 AM, Mirimir wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being presented, by them. Rr
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/14/2017 01:29 PM, Razer wrote:
On 02/14/2017 10:20 AM, Mirimir wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being presented, by them.
I am shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA! - that the list is as relevant, on-topic, troll-free etc. as it is. Right now I see a minor youth fad for "privacy concerns" tied into "anti-government" sentiments out there in the wild. I would expect any social climbers in the relevant echo chambers to do their homework so they can impress their opposite gender of choice by talking a better game at the keyboard, and encounter the CPunk Legend there. If so, scores to hundreds of the should find the list incidentally in the process of searching the web for related info and subscribe ten minutes later. But as far as I can tell that ain't happened. Much. Ain't broke. Don't fix it. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYo4aoAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqrigIAJFcztWCcjhYt1bcSlpPzS9D bdyV4hLuNtuvTwPpt0bWJVemD/Ibu7B9e/XQmtiz6K/g63ihceIaCPUuCmzRszDT WguFoy3i4bB3ZGbOiLM2/nPb3gVLQB8wdV5cYli9SLbP1UGJbQ4/8UIA7HRoxQov wnDdKjh+FQvYEJRAdsqCUnTcWYKusJYd2MpFxhaeW4+bMosjYFxJL6H7+Fzxh+WE 7CYDhxsA5o25GtD3yJwnRSSEdqyxiLXCeXL4HUvOypmiC1eNQ9jLXh8V2YLmOsS6 vpA/6fZl5Yqbpuau5EiLS9hBY+7StjjsIdCWHloSwv/a2R3FdGAFUzHvGwZp9yc= =6fP/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
rayzer wrote :
On 2017-02-14 13:27, juan wrote:
Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply with the list's charter or get lost.
WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving.
for the record you are way worse than Mirimir. At least he's not a castro fan nor does he vomit US military propaganda about the NYC false flag attack - among a whole lot of other aberrations that grace your posts here.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun... :P PS very OT: - Didn't find any good translation of this song and my Valentine's version is becoming indecently dramatic and full of mistakes, Mirimir... Practical suggestions to avoid crying when I don't know how to explain to a person that my love, my memories of them are full of their smell, please? :P # Sparkle (スパークル) - Radwimps https://youtu.be/a2GujJZfXpg # About "Your Name" movie - 君の名は ("Kimi no Na wa")... https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/your_name_2016/ Warning! Lots of spoilers! => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Name
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun... :P
Ouch! (>.<)* Donald is trolling the Cryptography list too! :(( Uff, I am avoiding to share some interesting informations here because I am afraid stupid people like Zzz disturb good projects. Trolls are too selfish and limited to think about something useful for the society, so decide to annoy those who are working or trying to study and create good things. Uff... :((
On 02/14/2017 11:32 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun... :P
PS very OT: - Didn't find any good translation of this song and my Valentine's version is becoming indecently dramatic and full of mistakes, Mirimir... Practical suggestions to avoid crying when I don't know how to explain to a person that my love, my memories of them are full of their smell, please? :P
# Sparkle (スパークル) - Radwimps
No clue, given that I don't know Japanese :( But maybe: http://www.lyrical-nonsense.com/lyrics/radwimps/sparkle/
# About "Your Name" movie - 君の名は ("Kimi no Na wa")...
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/your_name_2016/
Warning! Lots of spoilers! => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Name
It does seem a sweet film :)
Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply with the list's charter or get lost.
Don't be a censoring Nazi, Juan. On February 14, 2017 1:27:12 PM PST, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply with the list's charter or get lost.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
This will just make the list officially alt.alt.alt.cunty.scumbags.politics.and.vulgar.insults My counter suggestion is self moderation: this might split the list making it easier to read. Make whitelist or blacklist and do not read or reply to anything below forbidden actor's posting. Close to this works for me. The expected result is looped trolls with occasional other posts and some "ontopic" stuff with minor(?) pollutions by trolls. Limit of new news threads per day makes some sense too. From 2016-08 to 2017-02 (the new version of the list) I have about 4.8K emails. From 2014-04 to 2016-08 (the old version) I have about 12K emails.
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:01:32 +0200 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
This will just make the list officially alt.alt.alt.cunty.scumbags.politics.and.vulgar.insults
Georgi, yet another 'subscriber' who doesn't belong here at all. Yet another 'subscriber' who is the poster child for SHEEPLE. Quite funny since he's quite used to whine about sheeple...like himself.
On 02/15/2017 01:01 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
This will just make the list officially alt.alt.alt.cunty.scumbags.politics.and.vulgar.insults
:) I don't mind the insults. The constant petty bickering does get to me, I admit. But what really bugs me is the miasma of sarcastic political bullshit. It reminds me of Encyclopedia Dramatica ;) Back in the day, cypherpunks was about the power of crypto-guaranteed privacy to protect freedom and limit government power. Not now :(
My counter suggestion is self moderation: this might split the list making it easier to read. Make whitelist or blacklist and do not read or reply to anything below forbidden actor's posting. Close to this works for me.
The expected result is looped trolls with occasional other posts and some "ontopic" stuff with minor(?) pollutions by trolls.
Sure, I'm doing that. But then I miss good stuff from people I like :(
Limit of new news threads per day makes some sense too.
From 2016-08 to 2017-02 (the new version of the list) I have about 4.8K emails. From 2014-04 to 2016-08 (the old version) I have about 12K emails.
I'm tempted to analyze thread topics, membership, posting patterns, etc to see where and how the list went to shit. But then, who cares? :(
On 02/15/2017 07:55 AM, Mirimir wrote:
Back in the day, cypherpunks was about the power of crypto-guaranteed privacy to protect freedom and limit government power.
For me Crypto is of interest in relation to 'guaranteed privacy to protect freedom and limit government power.', but NOT my only interest, nor is crypto primary. For me, cyber-security (in general) is primary and crypto is one of the key parts of that 'puzzle'. I forget exactly how I heard about this list, but it was somewhere on the 'greater intertubz' which may have brought a number of subscribers ... but I saw an INCREDIBLE uptick in the amount of (what I consider) garbage posts, trolling, etc, after io's harassment went public and I suspect much of the trash that we're now seeing is related to an attempt to suppress, or divert the list, and make it unusable, due to the majority of people posting to the list's apparent support for io. Bullies NEVER stop being bullies until someone puts them in intensive care you know? About ist standards et al from a personal perspective. Early on some people complained about my posting pullquotes with links, and I responded "Bandwidth" but relented in a practice I understood was a global listserv standard. THEN some people started complaining I was posting full text and then I simply stopped giving a fuck about anyone's complaints. If anyone doesn't care for them. Don't read them. Rr
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 08:55:14AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
I'm tempted to analyze thread topics, membership, posting patterns, etc to see where and how the list went to shit. But then, who cares? :(
Several relatively active posters stopped posting in short interval, so binary search may shed light on this question. I am tempted to port some elementary AI to counter-trolling-bot. Very like some trolls here can't resist to discuss their obsessions and their spam with an understanding "soul". Probably even the emacs doctor will do.
I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if he's still subscribed but he said something to the effect that there's too much trash. FWIW, he didn't seem to be castigating me about it like some of the posters here who only seem to 'post to troll'. On 02/15/2017 09:18 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
Several relatively active posters stopped posting in short interval,
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if he's still subscribed but he said something to the effect that there's too much trash. FWIW, he didn't seem to be castigating me about it like some of the posters here who only seem to 'post to troll'.
I love Rysiek - and his gorgeous hair! - and miss him. Unfortunately, he is very allergic to trolls. Meh, I need to keep some distance! :( Three years ago, more or less, I was lurking here and read a very dramatic and long discussion about top-posting. I felt very uncomfortable. I would be kicked if I had dared to tell in public that top-posting is adopted as usual pattern of posting in South and Latin America, Italy and in several African countries (already received several messages from France and Japan using it as pattern too), so I wrote in private to Rysiek to ask if a mere way of posting was so important to justify all that noise and drama. He was very kind and gentle, and patiently explained the reasons to avoid top-posting . I always liked his messages and projects. He's a good person and have cute friends too! <3 I will return to my comfortable lurking, guys and girls. It's the best way to contribute to this list for now. I am not a good coder (I'm ridiculous and my notebooks are worse than me!) and seems I am attracting more trolls. I don't care about trolls and most of them are fake accounts managed by the same lozzzer, but they are disturbing this list and censoring legit manifestations, adopting "My way or No way" rules. And even worse, he's annoying people that I appreciate a lot... I don't feel secure to share some invitations and news about investigative journalism here anymore because he and similar trolls will disturb good teams and serious works. I need to protect these people, not expose them to intellectually and morally limited losers and jerks. :( Well, I will pretend to be dead for some days or I will need to waste my time asking favors to Australian lawyers. Criminals are criminals, and most of them are real losers, in special when they have a "curious" past. Growing up in a very dysfunctional family is *not* an excuse for lack of Ethics and character, Zzz. Tell us again the lie about your ex-wife, please. Say again how you are "saving the world" because - everybody knows, hahaha!! - you are a glorious "Human Rights defender". It will be very, very fun... ( ~ . ^ )* wink! C. PS for Mirimir: - You know I love sweet stories with strange time lapses and crossed destinies, my dear. Try to watch that film, it's cute and the art is very delicate. Ah, did you watch the last trailler of Ghost In The Shell? Thank God, it's much better or I would cry a lot for the poor anime! :P https://youtu.be/tRkb1X9ovI4 J, Rr and Zzz don't like you, but who does care, my dear? I love you and my affection is more useful and interesting than their bad feelings. And my Vday unexpected gift was a Carnival kit, yay!!! Now I have a cat ears headband, face paints, glitter and - tcharan, tcharan! - a powerful sun block, awww!!! (* - *) <3 <3 <3 Visited my doctor today and I am almost 70% healed and liberated for parties, with few restrictions: - need to protect daily the damaged skin with a high SPF to avoid scars ; h ydrate a lot ; avoid alcohol, cigars, drugs and sex with no protection (WTF?!) ; and eat bacon once a day (WTF!!!). I made a very shitty face and the doctor said I need "really decent protein sources". Trolls, trolls everywhere... (- _ -) grumps!
On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir. Just because I disagree occasionally has nothing to do with like/dislike. I don't like: A> Fascists who call themselves "AltRight","Libertarian" (most US libertarians are fascism-oriented Republicans), or for that matter any 'flavor' of Fascist. B> Trolls who troll for the sake of trolling without adding SOME content to the discussion. IOW, disrupters. Mirimir is in neither of those categories. Rr
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
Sorry, my fault. When I read your comment " WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving. " after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him. I admit I love Mirimir. I also love you a lot when you are *not* saying I am a zombie, or a thief of identities, or a bot, or a man with a c0ck bigger than yours pretending to be a silly girl... Sorry, all these options were f_cking creepy! :P PS: - Sorry again. I said I would be quiet, but was just grarpamp smile, purr and meow a bit, say that would use cat ears while coding and, well, I couldn't resist to his feline charm, hahaha!! I'm a dog person, but I can't resist to cats! ;)
Cecilia Tanaka:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
Sorry, my fault. When I read your comment " WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving. " after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him.
I was responding to ?uan'$ screed -- RR "You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddlefucked around with mine until it worked..."
On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 03:15:00 +0000 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Cecilia Tanaka:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
Sorry, my fault. When I read your comment " WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving. " after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him.
I was responding to ?uan'$ screed
go figure. I missed your mental vomit and would have ignored it if I read it.
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:26:30 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if he's still subscribed but he said something to the effect that there's too much trash.
I'm still waiting for torbot rysiek to comment on the appelbaum 'affair'. I guess he's too embarrased haha. Or perhaps the tor project stopped paying him. Or something.
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