It is unlikely that a presidential executive order, ordering any referendum (to ascertain the will of the people) would be successfully opposed in say a legal challenge. There are other paths as well. The people are the ultimate sovereigns. On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 08:37:33PM +0000, wrote:

That method is called a constitutional convention. It would require, AFAIK, all states (their legislatures I assume) to call for this, not just a majority or plurality. Even the Southern Insurrection did not evoke such a reaction.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 8:32 PM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:

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Interesting.

Well then, the procedure is implicit - the same procedure followed by those who first formed it and/or the amendments.

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AFAIK, there is no provision in the Constitution for a federal referendum.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 3:49 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:

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> There is no government that is so perfect as to not allow some

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 08:45:59PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote: portion

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> of monies and holdings to be petitionable and used by the People.

Quite an interesting concept.

Here and there, many utopian community attempts have been gifted land by a wealthy or land-holding benefactor, and such experiment in community begins again.

They have (almost?) always failed - and from internal reasons, not "external govt clamp down", notwithstanding the Wacos...

It's true, because none of them had as sophisticated set of

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and balance of power as the Constitution already. I've adapted, in fact, the Constitution to this end at appropedia.org, which hopefully you can find, if interested. Things like doubling the term if a person gets re-elected and reverting to the original term if they don't

Interesting.

The USA could get/give a reset to Trump (same as Putin), with a referendum, since Trump's first term was basically cock blocked the whole way.

Trump's right to run for presidency could simply be "reset" with a referendum.

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-- a self-organizing government that requires no oversight from above.

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