Gruveo, more secure skype alternative?
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users. So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me. [1] https://www.gruveo.com/
Even if technicaly they're so anonymous and afe as they claim to be, they won't be an alternative for skype without accounts and "friend lists" etc. It is just to hard to use for "average user". Imagine when every time when you would like to chat or call someone via skype, instead of make a double click on his position on the list, you would have to let him know you want to speak, agree code and wait till he get to the website... its quite problematic. Zegar On 23 July 2014 06:24, unixninja92 <unixninja92@gmail.com> wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
-- Pozdrawiam, Paweł Zegartowski
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:24:22AM -0400, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
RetroShare has quite good P2P audio. It's not properly audited though, caveat emptor.
"Closed source" is exactly the same as "something in the source code to hide from the user". Never, ever trust closed source code. On 23/07/14 05:24, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:48:38 +0100 Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
"Closed source" is exactly the same as "something in the source code to hide from the user". Never, ever trust closed source code.
I see that kind of aassertions endlessly repeated. They seem rather baseless. "Closed source" means that if you want to audit something, you need to use a disassembler.
On 23/07/14 05:24, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:24:22AM -0400, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
this paragraph rings so many alarmbells that writing this should have already answered your question, no? -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
On 2014-07-22 23:24, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
Why even consider closed alternatives when you have things like Jitsi[1] available? It's open source, does secure voice, video, and text, and runs on just about any platform (including Android). [1] www.jitsi.org Cypher
Dnia środa, 23 lipca 2014 13:29:15 Cypher pisze:
On 2014-07-22 23:24, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
Why even consider closed alternatives when you have things like Jitsi[1] available? It's open source, does secure voice, video, and text, and runs on just about any platform (including Android).
Plus, simply does not work, at least when I try it from time to time. :/ -- Pozdr rysiek
W dniu 23.07.2014 21:40, rysiek pisze:
Dnia środa, 23 lipca 2014 13:29:15 Cypher pisze:
On 2014-07-22 23:24, unixninja92 wrote:
Recently found Gruveo[1]. Allows easy video and audio calls similar to cryptocat. Unfortunately not open source and makes no mention of being audited. Otherwise looks very interesting and promising. It tries to use P2P to make calls, and if it fails, then it will go through their servers. Uses WebRTC for end to end encrypted audio and video chat. They claim they don't keep any logs that could identify users.
So the question is, is this an NSA honey pot or something that might actually be trustworthy? It seems at least a bit more secure/trustworthy than skype to me.
Why even consider closed alternatives when you have things like Jitsi[1] available? It's open source, does secure voice, video, and text, and runs on just about any platform (including Android).
Plus, simply does not work, at least when I try it from time to time. :/
On top of that it's not much configurable, the gui is slow/notresponsive and the widget style is ugly and doesn't itegrate with the rest of my KDE desktop. Jitsi might be good software one day, but it's stil has quite a long way to go. -- Łukasz "Cyber Killer" Korpalski mail: cyberkiller8@gmail.com xmpp: cyber_killer@jabster.pl site: http://website.cybkil.cu.cc gpgkey: 0x72511999 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net //When replying to my e-mail, kindly please //write your message below the quoted text.
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