PapersPlease: “Continuous screening” means continuous surveillance and control
https://papersplease.org/wp/2017/12/15/continuous-screening-means-continuous... Today the Identity Project joins more than 20 other government-accountability and civil liberties organizations in a joint letter opposing S. 2192, the “SECURE Act of 2017”, which was introduced in the Senate earlier this month and immediately placed on the Senate calendar for a floor vote at any time. The name of this bill is Newspeak. It is not about security, but about surveillance and control of immigrants, borders, and international travelers, including U.S. citizens. The coalition letter to members of Congress that we signed today focuses on Sections 6002-6003 (pp. 488-499) of S. 2192, which would authorize the Secretary of Homeland Security, Secretary of State, or Attorney General to exempt their respective Federal departments from the Administrative Procedure Act, the Privacy Act, and the Paperwork Reduction Act with respect to a wide range of border control and surveillance activities. The Administrative Procedure Act (APA) spells out the details of Constititionally-required “due process” as it applies to administrative decision-making by Federal agencies. Decisions adversely affecting individuals’ rights made without complying with the APA would be highly likely to violate Constitutional norms of due process. Exemption from the Privacy Act would allow the creation and maintenance, without notice, of secret Federal government databases about U.S. citizens, and the use of secret, unreliable, uncorrected, and/or irrelevant data as the basis for decisions to deny U.S. citizens their rights. These practices would also be likely to be unconstitutional. Many of the provisons of S. 2192 are copied from S. 1757, an earlier omnibus “border control” bill we criticized when it was introduced in September. Like its predecessor S. 1757, S. 2192 incorporates a patently unconstitutional “Passport Revocation Act” (Section 1632, pp. 446-448), which would purport to authorize revocation or refusal to issue or renew a U.S. passsport, and the prohibition of departure from or return to the U.S., on the guilt-by-association basis of (1) an extrajudicial administrative designation of an organization as a “foreign terrorist organization”, and (2) an extrajudicial administrative determination by the State Department that a U.S. citizen is “affiliated” with such an organization (without the law defining the meaning of “affiliated”). The number of references to the “unreviewable discretion” of officials and agencies has increased from 14 in S. 1757 to 17 in S. 2192. S. 2192 also includes provisions from S. 1757 mandating government monitoring of activities and ideas expressed on social media, and the use of this surveillance data for making visa decisions and for “continuous screening” (continuous surveillance and control) of immigrants, foreign residents (including permanent residents), and foreign-citizen visitors to the U.S. As the letter we sent today concludes, “We oppose these provisions in S.2192 and any other border security bill.” Who We Are THE IDENTITY PROJECT (IDP) The right to travel freely in their own country is a right that has been taken by Americans as their birthright. This right is basic, fundamental, and necessary for the free exercise of many of our other protected rights. Identity-based domestic security programs condition our mobility to freely assemble, associate, speak, and exchange ideas upon the government’s permission to do so. Demands on citizens to ‘show their ID‘ have spread from airports to all major forms of long distance domestic public transport. Some of these ID security programs check people against secret government lists. Some of these programs are simply tests of the traveler’s obedience. Dissent through public protest is in danger of being chilled by the fear of ending up on government lists. We are witnessing the advent of a national ID card, passed by Congress as the Real ID Act. With private data aggregators being used for ‘national security’ purposes; and the ability to use technology to consolidate a wealth of personal information on citizens and have it accessed by both governmental and private agencies, the right to be left alone is under serious threat. IDP shines a spotlight on these serious issues. We are part of the First Amendment Project, a 501(c)(3) public charity. Donations are tax deductible.
On 12/22/2017 10:33 AM, grarpamp wrote:
https://papersplease.org/wp/2017/12/15/continuous-screening-means-continuous...
Today the Identity Project joins more than 20 other government-accountability and civil liberties organizations in a joint letter opposing S. 2192, the “SECURE Act of 2017”, which was introduced in the Senate earlier this month and immediately placed on the Senate calendar for a floor vote at any time.
The name of this bill is Newspeak. It is not about security, but about surveillance and control of immigrants, borders, and international travelers, including U.S. citizens.
The long and the short of S. 2192 is that Trump get legal authority to build a wall, and put cameras and stuff all along the border, irrespective of any laws saying he cannot. I cannot see how this impairs my rights, or anyone's rights, other than the right of invaders who hope to invade, kill me and take my stuff. I come in and go out by airport, where I already get survielled, so this does not affect me in the slightest. In only affects people who are swimming the Rio Grande and suchlike. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:22 AM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
I cannot see how this impairs my rights, or anyone's rights, other than the right of invaders who hope to invade, kill me and take my stuff.
Many 'laws" around the world should not be interpreted by what they claim to do on the tin and for the near term, but by what they can do when grossly twisted by those who would wield them against you later. Time and again this holds true. Few have learned that, thus they continue to lose. It's time for something different.
I come in and go out by airport, where I already get survielled, so this does not affect me in the slightest. In only affects people who are swimming the Rio Grande and suchlike.
That's exactly what you and most sheeple said about the "law" that was drafted and enacted to "get you surveilled", and the "law" before that, and before that, etc.
On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:22 AM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
I come in and go out by airport, where I already get survielled, so this does not affect me in the slightest. In only affects people who are swimming the Rio Grande and suchlike.
On 12/25/2017 1:22 PM, grarpamp wrote:> That's exactly what you and most sheeple said about the "law"
that was drafted and enacted to "get you surveilled", and the "law" before that, and before that, etc.
This law keeps talking about physical locations on the physical border. The core thing it does is repeal any existing obstacles to building a wall and survieling that physical border. The reason nation states exist is that people keep invading to help themselves to other people's stuff, as for example Jose Zarate, who came here to kill people like me and take our stuff, and has proceeded to do so with impunity. One such man is just a criminal, but when he is backed and supported by other men in this common purpose, as he is, and thus enjoys immunity and impunity through this mutual support for violent men engaged in violent acts, he is an invasion, part of an invading army. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 10:40 PM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
One such man is just a criminal, but when he is backed and supported by other men in this common purpose, as he is, and thus enjoys immunity and impunity through this mutual support for violent men engaged in violent acts, he is an invasion, part of an invading army.
Invaders, as one or many, and unless exceptionally strong, prey upon the availability of the weak. Walls, borders, as single physical points perhaps, and certainly leaving multitude holes for easy access to the still unstrengthened existing masses of weak lambs / sheeple. However raising the all the weak individually, independantly mutually communally, to be self defensive, the raising of such an inhospitable environment to successful attack, rendering the first would be exploiters back from whence they came with a message of costly odds... this has not been tried, and all else has failed (those who claim to be your saviours, often aren't, or at least can't or are unwilling to prove it). The US is an example, another nation state would be batshit insane to try physically invading it due to the distributed prevalence of firearms, they only way they could win is to erase it with nukes and reboot it, or psyop the sheeple with claims of being their Messiah. Here's one link to the case, is it Mexico invading, or random snaps and issues across and part of all humanity... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kate-steinle-trial-jose-ines-garcia-zarate-not-... What happens when Mexico is "invaded"...
On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 10:40 PM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
One such man is just a criminal, but when he is backed and supported by other men in this common purpose, as he is, and thus enjoys immunity and impunity through this mutual support for violent men engaged in violent acts, he is an invasion, part of an invading army.
On 12/25/2017 2:44 PM, grarpamp wrote:
Invaders, as one or many, and unless exceptionally strong, prey upon the availability of the weak. Walls, borders, as single physical points perhaps, and certainly leaving multitude holes for easy access
If group A allows group B access, group A will be conquered. Need to police borders. Chimps patrol their borders. We need to set up electronic surveillance. And patrol. And build a wall. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Surveillance, patrol, walls
May end up operating like centralized egress filters and 1984, often before those who built them are dead. https://papersplease.org/ https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84 https://wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_world https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates_of_Alexander “The modern Chinese have done what people for centuries were embarrassed to do and what the invaders could not do, the wall is being destroyed by the hands of the descendants.” https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 23:44:52 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 10:40 PM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
One such man is just a criminal, but when he is backed and supported by other men in this common purpose, as he is, and thus enjoys immunity and impunity through this mutual support for violent men engaged in violent acts, he is an invasion, part of an invading army.
Invaders, as one or many, and unless exceptionally strong, prey upon the availability of the weak.
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders. why is utter right wing scum like james donald promoting electronic surveillance and the borders of the US nazi state in an allegdly 'libertarian' 'anarchist' 'cypherpunk' mailing list?
Walls, borders, as single physical points perhaps, and certainly leaving multitude holes for easy access to the still unstrengthened existing masses of weak lambs / sheeple.
again, what are you talking about
However raising the all the weak individually, independantly mutually communally, to be self defensive, the raising of such an inhospitable environment to successful attack, rendering the first would be exploiters back from whence they came with a message of costly odds... this has not been tried, and all else has failed (those who claim to be your saviours, often aren't, or at least can't or are unwilling to prove it).
The US is an example, another nation state would be batshit insane to try physically invading
lawl - what the fuck are you talking about - oh wait you are an apologist of the US nazi state, go figure?
it due to the distributed prevalence of firearms, they only way they could win is to erase it with nukes and reboot it, or psyop the sheeple with claims of being their Messiah.
Here's one link to the case, is it Mexico invading,
what - the - fuck or random
snaps and issues across and part of all humanity... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kate-steinle-trial-jose-ines-garcia-zarate-not-...
What happens when Mexico is "invaded"...
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:04 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
to try physically invading US
lawl - what the fuck are you talking about
You could probably find winning and losing scenaries searches like... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=invading+america Doesn't matter, whether due to internal and or external reasons, all fail in time. Maybe people will learn. Or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs Too bad they forgot about how to handling the tiny dot.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:58:16 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 11:04 AM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
to try physically invading US
lawl - what the fuck are you talking about
You could probably find winning and losing scenaries searches like... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=invading+america
now you link a retarded search query? again - what *the fuck* is your point it's quite clear what sort of fascist cunt james donald is, and it's quite clear that his apology of surveillance and statism in the 'cpunks' mailing list surpasses even rayzxer's constant, mind-numbing trolling. Now, what's *your* reply to the criminally deranged notion that people who ignore the borders of the american nazi state are 'invaders'? As far as I can tell you belive, like the fascist cunt donald does, that some 'mexicans' are 'invading' the US while ignoring that it's the motherfucking europeans like donald the ones who invaded america. Feel free to clarify your position.
Doesn't matter, whether due to internal and or external reasons, all fail in time. Maybe people will learn. Or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs Too bad they forgot about how to handling the tiny dot.
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:30:42 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 1:15 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
invaders? mexicans or europeans
Body counts left in their wake should answer that.
what's wrong with you? don't have the balls to give a straight answer?
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:58:16 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs Too bad they forgot about how to handling the tiny dot.
wow - that's motherfuckinly retarded - can't people THINK before posting. grarpamp you've linked yet another piece of garbage the people who call themselves "the americunt government" ARE NOT A TINY DOT. THEY ARE NOT A 'TINY" % of the number of 'taxpayers' at all. Do your fucking homework and learn how many TENS OF MILLIONS of parasites there are. here's a start : http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-veterans-numbers/story?id=14928136 Those Who Have Served : 22,658,000 (murdering non-joo-kristian brwon children) Those in Uniform Right Now : 2,317,761 then you need to add the cops, then you need to add millions of bureaucrats in thousands of 'departments', and the millions of cunts from public 'education'. then you need to add all the government 'contractors'. et cetera
then you need to add the ... then you need to add millions of ... and the millions of cunts from ... then you need to add all the...
Yes, the entire world is infested with vermin and retards, including the self proclaimed special ones making up the tiny dots. What is your solution to that problem?
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 13:47:13 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
then you need to add the ... then you need to add millions of ... and the millions of cunts from ... then you need to add all the...
Yes, the entire world is infested with vermin and retards,
so why do you post factually wrong garbage?
including the self proclaimed special ones making up the tiny dots. What is your solution to that problem?
On 12/26/2017 9:23 AM, grarpamp wrote:
What is your solution?
While one should avoid war with outgroups, (rule of acquisition thirty five) takes two to avoid war. Democratic party policy is to hike tribalism up to the max, to have integration but resist assimilation. This is a program bound to end in war, democide, and genocide. Assimilation works, integration does not. If two tribes occupy overlapping territories, either war will ensue, or one will rule, and the other be second class and forced into submissive posture. That is human nature. Since tribalism is also human nature, need borders with walls backed by men with guns. The peace of Westphalia is a general formula for peace between Kings, nations, peoples, cultures, tribes, and religions. This social technology, one of Chesterton's many abandoned fences, needs to be revived and reapplied. Lacking this, we are seeing increasing incidents of casual violence against white males, with those guilty getting away with it, being let off by police and judiciary. This can only escalate. One tribe must rule, one must submit. The Democratic Party prescription is a prescription for genocidal and democidal war, and that war is beginning. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 18:23:09 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
What is your solution?
I don't have any grand central plan, but I do have an observation. First step in getting solutions is people knowing the truth. That's why it's so imporant, for instance, to get rid of jew-kristian anti culture. And of course the same principle applies to any kind of tyranny and 'authority'.
The truth is important. Which begs at every point in time, which is more valuable?... Continuing to refine relatively small discontinuities in the knowledge of a few disciples of truth (verily decentralized Messiahs might they become), or going forward out to the masses, now, within one's own lifetime, such that the sheepledom might begin a much larger, earlier, shift toward truth, from their starting point of zero before?
On 12/26/2017 2:04 AM, juan wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders.
Which implies that you, having some South American Indian blood, should kill us and take (back) our stuff. Before we came, your ancestors were eating each other. You did not have the wheel, you failed to domesticate the sheep, the goat, or the buffalo. You don't actually have the competence or social cohesion to cause us problems, except that the democrats have created a alliance of low and high against middle, and alliance of far against near, and this alliance is run by white people, as is obvious from photographs of the "hispanics" exercising power in that alliance. When you take over that alliance, when high gets full of people affirmative actioned into positions of power, you will wind up eating the people who organized your alliance, eating those few remaining (mostly Jewish) democrats who are still competent. Brown Berniedette will eat the Clintons and Bernie. When the decadent Spanish let south America go, it fell apart, and order was restored by the power of the USA, and to a lesser extent by Soviet power. If the confederacy had won the war of Northern Aggression, it then would have replaced the Spaniards in South America. All wars are white on white wars. Whites fight over other peoples, not with them. Only the East Asians are competent in war, and they are still nowhere near as good at it as whites. The Vietnam war was not really whites versus East Asians, it was really the blue empire of the consulates versus the red empire of the bases. The Vietnamese were Soviet proxies, and the Soviets were blue empire proxies. Without Soviet backing, State Department backing, and Democratic Party backing, the Vietnamese would have been toast. So bring it on. It will end the way it did last time. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 04:18:05 +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2017 2:04 AM, juan wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders.
Which implies that you, having some South American Indian blood, should kill us and take (back) our stuff.
a piece of shit like you surely deserves to be beaten to death - as to 'your' stuff, it's not yours since it's the result of anti-free-market looting. but that's not really the point here - the point is that you scum are the invaders. a related point is : why does an utter anti-libertarian fascist like you pose as even pseudo 'libertarian' 'cpunk'? Your natural habitat is the KKK.
Before we came, your ancestors were eating each other. You did not have the wheel, you failed to domesticate the sheep, the goat, or the buffalo.
You don't actually have the competence or social cohesion to cause us problems, except that the democrats have created a alliance of low and high against middle, and alliance of far against near, and this alliance is run by white people, as is obvious from photographs of the "hispanics" exercising power in that alliance. When you take over that alliance, when high gets full of people affirmative actioned into positions of power, you will wind up eating the people who organized your alliance, eating those few remaining (mostly Jewish) democrats who are still competent. Brown Berniedette will eat the Clintons and Bernie.
When the decadent Spanish let south America go, it fell apart, and order was restored by the power of the USA, and to a lesser extent by Soviet power. If the confederacy had won the war of Northern Aggression, it then would have replaced the Spaniards in South America.
All wars are white on white wars. Whites fight over other peoples, not with them. Only the East Asians are competent in war, and they are still nowhere near as good at it as whites. The Vietnam war was not really whites versus East Asians, it was really the blue empire of the consulates versus the red empire of the bases. The Vietnamese were Soviet proxies, and the Soviets were blue empire proxies. Without Soviet backing, State Department backing, and Democratic Party backing, the Vietnamese would have been toast.
So bring it on. It will end the way it did last time.
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On 12/26/2017 5:01 AM, juan wrote:
a piece of shit like you surely deserves to be beaten to death - as to 'your' stuff, it's not yours since it's the result of anti-free-market looting.
Pretty sure you have the same evidence that any white person's stuff is the result of looting as you have that my stuff is the result of looting. Also, the Clinton's stuff and Bernie's stuff actually is the result of looting, so chances are that the holiness spiral in the Democrats will result in you eating the people who are competent to organize you to take my stuff. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 05:56:52 +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2017 5:01 AM, juan wrote:
a piece of shit like you surely deserves to be beaten to death - as to 'your' stuff, it's not yours since it's the result of anti-free-market looting.
Pretty sure you have the same evidence that any white person's stuff is the result of looting as you have that my stuff is the result of looting.
tell me about lysander spooner
Also, the Clinton's stuff and Bernie's stuff actually is the result of looting, so chances are that the holiness spiral in the Democrats will result in you eating the people who are competent to organize you to take my stuff.
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On 12/26/2017 2:04 AM, juan wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders.
The alliance between La Raza, Black Lives Matter, and the Democrats, resembles the alliance between the Populares and the Samnites. The Populares and the Optimates were political parties in Roman Empire, "Populare" meaning "People's party" The Populares corresponded to today's Democrats, the coalition of the fringes, weirdoes versus normal people, minorities versus the majority, the coalition of high and low against middle. The Populares wanted to give the Samnites (equivalent to today's La Raza) a fairer deal within the Roman Empire. The Samnites wanted to level the walls of Rome, kill all male Romans, and enslave all Roman women. When civil war between the political parties, between the Optimates and the Populares ensued, the alliance between Populares and Samnites proved less than entirely helpful. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 04:56:16 +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2017 2:04 AM, juan wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders.
The alliance between La Raza, Black Lives Matter, and the Democrats,
except the americunt "democrats" are exactly the same kind of right wing nazi you are. Only a monkey like you would fail to understand the fact that the US is ruled by One Party. Or would be stupid enough to pretend that he's not 99% in agreement with the "democrats" - remember fucktard, the 'democrats' are the pro-slavery southern party - your party.
resembles the alliance between the Populares and the Samnites.
The Populares and the Optimates were political parties in Roman Empire, "Populare" meaning "People's party" The Populares corresponded to today's Democrats, the coalition of the fringes, weirdoes versus normal people, minorities versus the majority, the coalition of high and low against middle.
The Populares wanted to give the Samnites (equivalent to today's La Raza) a fairer deal within the Roman Empire.
The Samnites wanted to level the walls of Rome, kill all male Romans, and enslave all Roman women.
When civil war between the political parties, between the Optimates and the Populares ensued, the alliance between Populares and Samnites proved less than entirely helpful.
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 04:56:16 +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:
On 12/26/2017 2:04 AM, juan wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about? The piece of right wing shit james donald is the invader. He and the rest of european shit who invaded america are the invaders.
The alliance between La Raza, Black Lives Matter, and the Democrats,
" The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress." "The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party. Its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and "nigger-loving" (their words) Republicans who sympathized with them." that's your party, you white, joo-kristian, ameri-cunt scum donald.
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