It's 2021 and our news outlets are still claiming to everyone that everything they have been told is true, and that things that aren't reported didn't happen. What's changed, is that people are trying to talk about it. A bunch of rebellious news organisations have sprung up, making it incredibly clear that their news is also totally ridiculous, and that people are believing it in droves. The mainstream media finally noticed. They're embarrassed that smaller, faker, even more "mainstream" media outlets, have gotten so much better and more grandious at spreading fake news than they are. They have coping skills they use when this happens. They publish news articles. https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-europe-coronavirus-pandemic-science... It's the same old thing helping people get back to reality by pretending that fake news is meritless. It's certainly upsetting and false, if not merciless. It likely makes for a great way to cover anything up. Publish fake news on something similar. The mainstream media will make sure nobody believes it. Meanwhile, computers can out-write us by leagues, and most smart software devs can think of how to build a world-saving or world-dominating AGI by now, and are thinking about how best to use their old age for their values. It is very easy to have a computer write a news article for you now, and nobody knows what is true. We need rational, clear, noncontroversial, helpful information like water in a desert. I'll try to translate a little of the apnews weekly update. A roundup of some of the most popular but completely untrue stories and visuals of the week. None of these are legit, even though they were shared widely on social media. The Associated Press checked them out. Here are the facts: Karl's comment: - "We can totally say this stuff is untrue. Nobody hurts us when we do. It is totally safe to say this stuff is untrue. You should tell your friends how safe this." - "The things spreading on social media are not true. Come to mainstream news outlets to learn what is true. We can discern what is true and false so long as the powers that get angry from it have enemies with a lot of money." Posts mislead on delta variant data - "We can say these posts are misleading. Nobody hurts us when we do. Some day we may even be able to say that our own news reporting is misleading, too." CLAIM: Data from the U.K.’s public health agency confirms that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 are anywhere from two times to six times more likely to die from the delta variant than the unvaccinated. - "Although this may be mathematically true in a very limited context, people think it means that vaccination can make you sick, or that it indicates in any way that getting vaccinated could harm you. Maybe vaccinations do harm people sometimes, but this study does not indicate that at all, and I could be fired for saying that. Whoever posted this stuff is obviously trying to get everyone to contract covid-19, and we need to do something about that." - "I'm going to repeatedly state that these incredibly dangerous posts are false because all you guys seem to understand is that you should get passionately upset by what you read." THE FACTS: Public Health England’s report did not show evidence that those who are - "Here I am, stating clearly that the dangerous claims are false. You're already primed by the very fake news I'm debunking, to be ready to be upset at false stuff!" vaccinated are more susceptible to dying from the coronavirus delta variant. Rather, the data, - "It is obviously false that this would be the case, but the study did show that there is a weird set involving very elderly people where it is a little true, even though it was blindingly false everywhere else. I'll have to make sure to use weasel words less than the fake news people do, so that you believe me." which was published June 18, shows the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are highly effective against hospitalization from the variant. An - "This is the most important thing for people at risk of going to a hospital to know. We need to say this first, and it was criminal for the outlets that are better at distributing fake news than our investors are, to not make this clear up front. These fake news outlets are directly responsible for millions of people dying." Instagram post falsely claimed the health - "false! You need to understand how false this is!" agency’s data showed vaccinated people were twice as likely to die from the delta variant than unvaccinated people. Another falsely claimed - "The people who wrote the fake news didn't know the difference between numbers they put together creatively, and statistical measurements of what is actually likely. It's an incredibly common thing to do." vaccinated people were “six times more likely to die from a circulating ‘variant’ like ‘Delta’ than are unvaccinated people.” One post used a table from the report to share the false claim, but the post misrepresented the table’s data. While the table does address delta variant deaths, it shows that among 60,624 confirmed cases of the variant between Feb. 1 and June 14, recorded deaths included 37 vaccinated people and 34 unvaccinated. Furthermore, the - "My job is to debunk this. The posters did not understand this table. I do not understand this table either. None of my readers understand this table. But I can ask somebody who does understand the table, what I might say to convince people." - "These numbers are tiny. Does that matter? Does it matter if numbers are big or small?" table does not state the age group of those who died and whether they suffered from any additional illnesses. Experts say that means - "The expert said the study was about a different thing than the posts said it was, and that made it clear the posts were ridiculous. How is that related? Should I include the table? Most wouldn't want to get fired for accidentally showing statistics that aren't in support of major corporations, but I can figure this out." --- That's it for me. I'll believe somebody who can say that opposing views have truth and form conclusions from that, but stick by what they care about, and clearly that's not many professional writers who can write things that reach me. I'm not even sure it's myself anymore. Still, this AP news stuff seems cool. Found them on the web. Below is the rest of the attempt to bring people closer to reality that they made: conclusions cannot be drawn about the role of vaccines in those deaths. “Unless you account for these differences in age and population, you really can’t make the argument that vaccination confers a higher risk of death,” said Dr. Nasia Safdar, an infectious disease physician at the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and Public Health. The report notes that follow up is needed when examining the data on delta variant deaths because “it is too early to provide a formal assessment of the case fatality of delta, stratified by age, compared to other variants.” The public health agency issued another report on June 25 that showed that no deaths had been recorded of patients under 50 who were infected with the delta variant and had received both doses of vaccine. The data from the agency shows that two doses of the vaccines made by Pfizer or AstraZeneca are highly effective against hospitalization from the delta
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 10:43:45 -0400 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, computers can out-write us by leagues,
that's incredibly idiotic nonsense karl. You have to stop spreading that kind of technofascist garbage.
and most smart software devs can think of how to build a world-saving or world-dominating AGI by now,
and that's another lie that's even more stupid and evil than the previous one. software devs are a mix of evil assholes and fucktards who mostly know how to write spying malware. Your blind faith in the intelligence of a piece of mechanical crap programmed by evil fucktards is really insane, or propaganda of the worst kind. Stop it. So given your malicious lies regarding 'AI', your comments about 'associated press' are even more absurd. Please state CLEARLY what fake news the 'mainstream media' is pushing regarding the FAKE PANDEMIC.
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 1:50 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 10:43:45 -0400 Karl <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
Meanwhile, computers can out-write us by leagues,
that's incredibly idiotic nonsense karl. You have to stop spreading that kind of technofascist garbage.
? Have you tried gpt?
and most smart software devs can think of how to build a world-saving or world-dominating AGI by now,
and that's another lie that's even more stupid and evil than the previous one.
software devs are a mix of evil assholes and fucktards who mostly know how to write spying malware. Your blind faith in the intelligence of a piece of mechanical crap programmed by evil fucktards is really insane, or propaganda of the worst kind. Stop it.
I guess I could have said it more frighteningly, but it's sad to be all doom and gloom as much as I am already. We should give all the nukes to the elite then? So given your malicious lies regarding 'AI', your comments about
'associated press' are even more absurd.
Please state CLEARLY what fake news the 'mainstream media' is pushing regarding the FAKE PANDEMIC.
I don't actually attend to the news much but this is clearly quite important to people like you. You'd like more data on why COVID is such a big different deal. I don't have that data, but I can try to worry about it more. Seems China is related and like the tracks are still unfolding.
Please state CLEARLY what fake news the 'mainstream media' is
pushing regarding the FAKE PANDEMIC.
I don't actually attend to the news much but this is clearly quite important to people like you. You'd like more data on why COVID is such a big different deal. I don't have that data, but I can try to worry about it more. Seems China is related and like the tracks are still unfolding.
Maybe this can clear up a little: medicine in general has always seemed immature to me. I think it's inhibited by profit interests, but everyone has a different explanation. When something's wrong, you go to the doctor, they listen to you, and prescribe something that deals with yours symptoms and ignores the cause. - they don't tell you how to live healthier - they don't collate your data to add to studies - they don't nourish your disease resistance, rather than reduce your suffering - they don't educate you or people in your community on treating such things in the future All of these points do the same thing. People rely on doctors more. People get less healthy and develop more diseases. And more and more money goes to people who make drugs. I've had issues a lot over the course of my life, and very rarely has going to a doctor helped my physical health. What it does help is the anxiety of my family when I am suffering. It's very effective at that, but ends up getting them to send you to doctors more. Many, many people share this story. But personally, I had an incredible immune system and really good personal introspection, and then later in life I briefly studied wilderness living. Before I was suddenly crippled by psychosis and a rare cancer, I had repeatedly found that I could treat my own issues better than a doctor did, because I could learn parts of their causes and paths a little bit by exploring my experiences. I never missed a day of school. Western doctors don't care if you have some weird personal analysis. They follow their books and trainings. So diseases seemed a sham to me. When people hid from diseases, I had even been taught in school that that is how you weaken your immune system. It sure is good at making everyone lonely, too. There's also a big thing about the director of the FDA in the USA some time ago losing their job because they started supporting natural medicine, which happens to pharmacologically be a suitable free replacement for pharmaceuticals in most (not all) situations. Free, because not only can you grow plants yourself, they grow wild everywhere. They work quite reliably. There's a lot of counter-advertising around buying them overseas (which is a pretty weird, inefficient, and popular thing to do), or using them without proper knowledge. It's true, most things in the universe can be ineffective or dangerous if used without proper knowledge. Anyway, when I hear the newspapers are telling everyone to lock their doors and hide from each other, I figure it's just another big fear thing. People get scared. When they're scared, they spread the fear to keep each other safe. Nobody's always right. And everything has a grain of truth. Sometimes those grains are big. Sometimes they fight. We don't need to fight, do we?
To resummarize this: I believe in covid. I believe in the fake pandemic. _Both_. They do not conflict. I don't know much about it, I put a mask on when in public and ignored it. It's incredibly dangerous to force people to do everything online this decade. This is a very bad decade to do that, and it radically radically shifted our economies and cultures.
Addendum: People seem to spend most of their time acting on fears of things that aren't immediately dangerous (burglars, wild animals, guns, drugs). Understanding these things is the way to be safe from the rare time they happen. You won't believe these "lies" : I always kept my door unlocked. The only people to steal from me were people trying to teach my to lock it. I went outdoors alone at night without a light all the time. Scary animals flee from the scarier human, every single time. When my life seemed in danger, I'd talk to the people threatening it -- one was aiming a shotgun at me -- and just speak honestly about what was up. The only time I got hurt was when I had no avenue to do that. Drugs, I just added that because of the similar avoidance/moderation pattern. Sorry for the spam! This is real spam; I don't expect you to connect with it.
Addendum 2: Obviously we need doctors because they're our channel to extensive scientific research and medical lab tests like mris, xrays, eegs, pet scans. Those things are all behind huge financial walls. But we also need doctors to integrate research a lot more effectively in both directions, to heal our communities before our minor aches, and to protect us from abuses by corporations, organised crime, and government. In my area, if you want to get tested for rare and very dangerous pollutants, you have to find a third party study. Doctors generally assume it's something that doesn't indicate a class action lawsuit.
[spam][spam] Omigod I feel so bad about dissing doctors, what am I saying???? How is this in the slightest related to what punk said about covid??? Why did he even say that? Doctors always skim by patients with rare issues because there are so few doctors. Always overtaxed! Doctors could do a much better job if they had better workload ... There's something more important here, maybe around just forthrightly nurturing everyone in general, like me and punk.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:29:57 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe this can clear up a little: medicine in general has always seemed immature to me.
Ok, that's a pretty sensible observation. Mierdicine is mostly an outrageous scam.
I think it's inhibited by profit interests, but everyone has a different explanation.
that's one aspect of the scam, yes. [more details deleted]
Anyway, when I hear the newspapers are telling everyone to lock their doors and hide from each other, I figure it's just another big fear thing. People get scared. When they're scared, they spread the fear to keep each other safe.
OK, so you're admiting the COVOD farce is a farce then? But then, in your next message you write :
To resummarize this:
I believe in covid. I believe in the fake pandemic. _Both_. They do not conflict.
COVOD is just the flu and the flu is real. But What does it mean you believe in the fake pandemic? You admit it's fake, or you believe it's real, or what.
You won't believe these "lies" : I always kept my door unlocked. The only people to steal from me were people trying to teach my to lock it. I went outdoors alone at night without a light all the time. Scary animals flee from the scarier human, every single time. When my life seemed in danger, I'd talk to the people threatening it -- one was aiming a shotgun at me -- and just speak honestly about what was up. The only time I got hurt was when I had no avenue to do that. Drugs, I just added that because of the similar avoidance/moderation pattern.
That's pretty sensible. Why would I doubt it? So in short, what you tried to say is that 'associated press' and the rest of criminals known as journos are exagerating and outright lying?
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:49 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 14:29:57 -0400 Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe this can clear up a little: medicine in general has always seemed immature to me.
Ok, that's a pretty sensible observation. Mierdicine is mostly an outrageous scam.
I think it's inhibited by profit interests, but everyone has a different explanation.
that's one aspect of the scam, yes.
[more details deleted]
thanks man
Anyway, when I hear the newspapers are telling everyone to lock their doors and hide from each other, I figure it's just another big fear thing. People get scared. When they're scared, they spread the fear to keep each other safe.
OK, so you're admiting the COVOD farce is a farce then?
But then, in your next message you write :
As much as anything else, as you recently agreed to. Y'know, if we don't talk about partial-farces, the partial-farces will take over the world, won't they. It's easy to forget.
To resummarize this:
I believe in covid. I believe in the fake pandemic. _Both_. They do not conflict.
COVOD is just the flu and the flu is real. But What does it mean you believe in the fake pandemic? You admit it's fake, or you believe it's real, or what.
Like you said, covid is a real flu, and it was really hyper-responded to. People influenced our expressions and behavior so the country would respond to it with more effectiveness than usual, etc etc. Like you said, the news is full of ridiculous fearmongering etc all the time; why is it news that it happened now? Maybe a reminder that everyone will believe it unless we kick our jaded brains into gear and spread anonymous counter-opinions.
You won't believe these "lies" :
I always kept my door unlocked. The only people to steal from me were people trying to teach my to lock it. I went outdoors alone at night without a light all the time. Scary animals flee from the scarier human, every single time. When my life seemed in danger, I'd talk to the people threatening it -- one was aiming a shotgun at me -- and just speak honestly about what was up. The only time I got hurt was when I had no avenue to do that. Drugs, I just added that because of the similar avoidance/moderation pattern.
That's pretty sensible. Why would I doubt it?
To demonstrate that you're a normal human being! So you'd agree with my lived experience that the best way to protect ourselves is to offer trust to those who would threaten us? So in short, what you tried to say is that 'associated press' and
the rest of criminals known as journos are exagerating and outright lying?
I really appreciated them hashing out fake news a little, but I didn't want the fake news to "win" by having me trusting mainstream news.
Meanwhile, computers can out-write us by leagues,
that's incredibly idiotic nonsense karl. You have to stop spreading that kind of technofascist garbage.
? Have you tried gpt?
No I don't waste time with computer games.
software devs are a mix of evil assholes and fucktards who mostly know how to write spying malware. Your blind faith in the intelligence of a piece of mechanical crap programmed by evil fucktards is really insane, or propaganda of the worst kind. Stop it.
I guess I could have said it more frighteningly,
frighteningly? Your 'AI' propaganda is thoroughly evil and stupid but not frightening. But I guess it's calculated to 'frighten' the mass produced fucktards who have infinite faith in 'science'? At any rate, it would take you a lot of work to frighten me...
but it's sad to be all doom and gloom as much as I am already. We should give all the nukes to the elite then?
How does that follow? What you call the elite is to be beaten to death with clubs. They DO HAVE the nukes - we should take the nukes from them and then kill the 'elite'. Or swap the order. But wait. You think that by wasting time with your computer games you're 'opposing' 'the elite', and further are pretending that your 'AI' computer games will stop the 'elite'? I mean you don't really believe that garbage - that's the propaganda you're supposed to spread here. NEWSFLASH : your 'AI' computer games are useless if you're interested in defending freedom.
So given your malicious lies regarding 'AI', your comments about
'associated press' are even more absurd.
Please state CLEARLY what fake news the 'mainstream media' is pushing regarding the FAKE PANDEMIC.
I don't actually attend to the news much but this is clearly quite important to people like you.
People like me? What do you mean, exactly.
You'd like more data on why COVID is such a big different deal.
I never said or think that COVOD is 'such a big different deal'. It's hardly different from what the jew-kristians have been doing for 1000s of years. As a matter of fact it's the exact same kind of lie aimed at the exact same kind of ignorant fucktards.
I don't have that data, but I can try to worry about it more. Seems China is related and like the tracks are still unfolding.
WHOA, THANK YOU! =) - I didn't know you were on agent grarpamp's team hahaha! You really made my day agent semich.
On Sat, Jul 3, 2021, 3:36 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
Meanwhile, computers can out-write us by leagues,
that's incredibly idiotic nonsense karl. You have to stop spreading that kind of technofascist garbage.
? Have you tried gpt?
No I don't waste time with computer games.
"GPT" is software capable of writing an enjoyable novel or sending convincing news reports or friendly emails to millions of people, each one targeted to the individual person. Are you aware of that? What would you spend time on?
software devs are a mix of evil assholes and fucktards who
mostly
know how to write spying malware. Your blind faith in the intelligence of a piece of mechanical crap programmed by evil fucktards is really insane, or propaganda of the worst kind. Stop it.
I guess I could have said it more frighteningly,
frighteningly? Your 'AI' propaganda is thoroughly evil and stupid but not frightening. But I guess it's calculated to 'frighten' the mass produced fucktards who have infinite faith in 'science'? At any rate, it would take you a lot of work to frighten me...
I thought you were trying to encourage me to scare or deter people around AI.
doom and gloom as much as I am already. We should give all the nukes to
but it's sad to be all the
elite then?
How does that follow? What you call the elite is to be beaten to death with clubs. They DO HAVE the nukes - we should take the nukes from them and then kill the 'elite'. Or swap the order.
Your caps could be misleading me, I don't know. I don't have any nukes. Wouldn't "take the nukes" mean stuff like "gpt"? But wait. You think that by wasting time with your computer games
you're 'opposing' 'the elite', and further are pretending that your 'AI' computer games will stop the 'elite'?
What is a larger nuke than a partial AI controlled by a powerful few? I mean you don't really believe that garbage - that's the propaganda you're supposed to spread here. Fragmented memories. War stimulation algorithm says we should fight to remember. NEWSFLASH : your 'AI' computer games are useless if you're
interested in defending freedom.
Kinda like money? Big slow drug with dream of power, lets you work hard to help your oppressor all day. By the time you finish, you are them, and you never expected it.
So given your malicious lies regarding 'AI', your comments about
'associated press' are even more absurd.
Please state CLEARLY what fake news the 'mainstream media' is pushing regarding the FAKE PANDEMIC.
I don't actually attend to the news much but this is clearly quite important to people like you.
People like me? What do you mean, exactly.
You talk about a fake pandemic a lot, so clearly you have an attribute related to that (a "reason" ). Others would share that. When people are really passionate it's indicative they're not alone on the globe. Strong things have multiple things under them. Of course nobody is alone in a viewpoint. I was just thinking of reasons to value the expression.
You'd like more data on why COVID is such a big different deal.
I never said or think that COVOD is 'such a big different deal'. It's hardly different from what the jew-kristians have been doing for 1000s of years. As a matter of fact it's the exact same kind of lie aimed at the exact same kind of ignorant fucktards.
Oops, I took it too strongly!
I don't have that data, but I can try to worry about it more. Seems China is related and like the tracks are still unfolding.
WHOA, THANK YOU! =) - I didn't know you were on agent grarpamp's team hahaha! You really made my day agent semich.
I feel unnerved with my name back there. My sister said once I should apply to the NSA. I think I would have suffered a lot less if I had. And then I would have spread my logic-contagion to them, but I think they got part of it already.
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... You really made my day agent semich.
I feel unnerved with my name back there. My sister said once I should apply to the NSA. I think I would have suffered a lot less if I had. And then I would have spread my logic-contagion to them, but I think they got part of it already.
you may have had an "easier" life as an NSAgent, but also an emptier life. read the stories of agents with conscience, forced to confront the ugliness of the work they were doing under patriotic delusion... you may have fucked up your life in parts, Karl, but you didn't fuck it up NSAgent bad :P best regards, take care of yourself, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEAREKAH0WIQRBwSuMMH1+IZiqV4FlqEfnwrk4DAUCYOYV+18UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0NDFD MTJCOEMzMDdEN0UyMTk4QUE1NzgxNjVBODQ3RTdDMkI5MzgwQwAKCRBlqEfnwrk4 DP0VAP4q5rROgHOg0VwJMPfUqh0Il0ay+SRsBRMy1mlOuQfFSgEAtUhqtTupNFUX AWHfbENqrFMPYirq4YoPdLBcGoFesBw= =+tlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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