cypherpunks and hackers who dont code?
to the inmates: its seems we have a number of the intellectually lazy among us who either dont/wont or in some way refuse to code.. yet they wish to call themselves cypherpunks and hackers. am I missing something here about these wannabe(s)
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> wrote:
to the inmates: its seems we have a number of the intellectually lazy among us who either dont/wont or in some way refuse to code.. yet they wish to call themselves cypherpunks and hackers.
am I missing something here about these wannabe(s)
Possibly this: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html ? Thank you for your time, -- DataPacRat "Then again, I could be wrong."
Recently it was learned that code, crypto code at least, had become superfluous. Nothing like that protects anything, and never did. It has joined alchemy, phrenology, snake religion and astrology as a pseudo-science for TED rituals and RSA suspicion-fest, still beloved by the faithful, practiced by charlatans, funded unstoppably by DoD research and to fill a vast repository of "unbroken messages" out in Utah, a scholarly debunking topic of historical recollections of aged cryptographers and classified conferences at NSA and GCHQ to keep up appearances of once unbeatable prowess. Fort Meade being converted to a hospice for the greatest collection of mathematicians. Decrypting computers are silently humming with nothing to crack, blowing through Megawatts of power to protect the jobs of hundreds of sysadmins and, yes, dumbfoundedly useless coders surfing for android bestiality. Quantum computing collapsed with a whisper, never fulfilling its promise to render cryptography useless, beaten by a guy named Snowden or something who revealed that the crypto leader of the universe had arranged the end of trustworthy crypto code by rigging holes and backdoors and tricks and planting malware in every conceivable piece of machinery everywhere all the time. Now everything electromagnetic is romantic daydreaming of what never was. Remaining, for a while longer, is a 3x5 OTP and a pencil. For sending coded love notes up your MTM ass. Like here. At 04:43 PM 1/18/2014, you wrote:
to the inmates: its seems we have a number of the intellectually lazy among us who either dont/wont or in some way refuse to code.. yet they wish to call themselves cypherpunks and hackers.
am I missing something here about these wannabe(s)
1) Thank you for making me laugh, I enjoyed reading that. You should write books.. 2) OTP, One True Pairing! also Oulun Työväen Palloilijat. :-) :-) 3) On a slightly divergent note, yes to more decentralization / free and open source stuff everywhere. More transparency, good. OK, enough buzzwords thrown about. :-) Cheers
Recently it was learned that code, crypto code at least, had become superfluous. Nothing like that protects anything, and never did. It has joined alchemy, phrenology, snake religion and astrology as a pseudo-science for TED rituals and RSA suspicion-fest, still beloved by the faithful, practiced by charlatans, funded unstoppably by DoD research and to fill a vast repository of "unbroken messages" out in Utah, a scholarly debunking topic of historical recollections of aged cryptographers and classified conferences at NSA and GCHQ to keep up appearances of once unbeatable prowess. Fort Meade being converted to a hospice for the greatest collection of mathematicians.
Decrypting computers are silently humming with nothing to crack, blowing through Megawatts of power to protect the jobs of hundreds of sysadmins and, yes, dumbfoundedly useless coders surfing for android bestiality.
Quantum computing collapsed with a whisper, never fulfilling its promise to render cryptography useless, beaten by a guy named Snowden or something who revealed that the crypto leader of the universe had arranged the end of trustworthy crypto code by rigging holes and backdoors and tricks and planting malware in every conceivable piece of machinery everywhere all the time.
Now everything electromagnetic is romantic daydreaming of what never was.
Remaining, for a while longer, is a 3x5 OTP and a pencil. For sending coded love notes up your MTM ass. Like here.
At 04:43 PM 1/18/2014, you wrote:
to the inmates: its seems we have a number of the intellectually lazy among us who either dont/wont or in some way refuse to code.. yet they wish to call themselves cypherpunks and hackers.
am I missing something here about these wannabe(s)
There will always be a Duty (Excuse me, I have a Duty to attend to) :-)
Is there a Kickstarter for this? Quasi-serious question!
On 01/18/2014 11:16 PM, John Young wrote:
Fort Meade being converted to a hospice for the greatest collection of mathematicians.
On 01/19/2014 01:01 AM, rysiek wrote:
Dnia sobota, 18 stycznia 2014 14:36:00 Odinn Cyberguerrilla pisze:
There will always be a Duty
(Excuse me, I have a Duty to attend to) There's a pun around "duty-free" somewhere here, I'm sure...
No puns. The subject line is the title of a late-70s Devo album, which contains, among other horrors, the song "Secret Agent Man" (n.b.: cavities of evil have nothing to do with fiendish fluoridators): You know I live a life of danger for the FBI Keeping tabs on our nation On the land, on the sea, in the sky But every single night before I go to bed I get down on my knees and thank God I'm a secret agent man Secret agent man, secret agent man They've given me a number But they've taken away my name I got one hell of a job to perform for the U. S. of A. Got the responsibility of our nation's top security But every night and day I salute the flag and say Thank you Jesus 'cause I'm I'm a secret agent man Secret agent man, secret agent man They've given me a number But they've taken away my name You know they got me doin' this doin' that And a little bit of something else Fighting cavities of evil, safeguarding America's health But not an afternoon pass, I don't get up off my ass Thank you God 'cause I'm I'm a secret agent man Secret agent man, secret agent man They've given me a number But they've taken away my name (Repeat) 'Cause I'm a secret agent man
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:16 PM, John Young <jya@pipeline.com> wrote:
Recently it was learned that code, crypto code at least, had become superfluous. Nothing like that protects anything, and never did.
John channeling my innermost fears... i now view crypto as cost factor, rather than protection. "what's your threat model?" [something laughably broad and unrealistic] "let's try to focus on realistic threats" [modest aims to prevent plain-text observation and MitM downgrade attacks like SSLstrip] "so here's how you would build that, since nothing out of the box is sufficient..." [further reduction to prevent trivial passive observation] "if you eschew all these apps and services, and force everyone you communicate with to configure their settings like this..." [departs rejected] for a fun experiment, grab your latest Kali linux, position yourself in the middle, and see just how much of your desktop, Android, iOS activity escapes unmolested... it seems most most in the industry flee to offensive operations lest cruel realities render their crushing existential depression lethal. others plain crazy and try to play on "Hard Mode(TM)"[0] with the life consuming insanity that entails ;)
Quantum computing collapsed with a whisper, never fulfilling its promise to render cryptography useless
why so impatient? sure, DWave is a door stop, but incremental progress continues unabated.
Now everything electromagnetic is romantic daydreaming of what never was.
i still have hope. it starts with absolute anonymity for everyone as basic infrastructure of every network. like internet protocol: privacy edition. i'll let you know when the low latency datagram based unlinkable traffic analysis resistant transport is ready, and we can figure out what step #2 looks like ;P
On 01/18/2014 11:38 PM, coderman wrote:
i'll let you know when the low latency datagram based unlinkable traffic analysis resistant transport is ready, and we can figure out what step #2 looks like ;P Hopefully that will look something like: "When the WAN LED on your $9.99 Myanmarese consumer Wi-Fi cable modem router slows its blinking rate to sub-epileptic levels, SAFE SURFING ON THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY mode is activated, and AL FREAKING GORE. It is now safe to press the 'connect to safe internet' buttons in Internet Explorer."
Of course, few will be able to extract that meaning from the poorly-translated manual.
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Mike Gogulski <mike@gogulski.com> wrote:
... Hopefully that will look something like: "When the WAN LED on your $9.99 Myanmarese consumer Wi-Fi cable modem router slows its blinking rate to sub-epileptic levels, SAFE SURFING ON THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY mode is activated, and AL FREAKING GORE. It is now safe to press the 'connect to safe internet' buttons in Internet Explorer."
this is pre snowden thinking; usability demands that it immediately emits only one state on boot: a glowing blue LED "SECURE". once the network is up, now lights "SUPER SECURE". (it can only be SECURE, lest the wrong impression be conveyed by accident) further usability refinements will result in glowing blue "+", and when on line, "++". it will have no ports or buttons, but know by how you hold if you want it on or off, or to restart... some time later, "Why Jane can't network" will dissect the usability failures of this adventure and determine: metcalf trumps simple! usability implies enough will buy and use it. , much wailing, gnashing of teeth... dependency hell leading to intractable graph recursion.
coderman <coderman@gmail.com> writes:
this is pre snowden thinking; usability demands that it immediately emits only one state on boot: a glowing blue LED "SECURE".
once the network is up, now lights "SUPER SECURE". (it can only be SECURE, lest the wrong impression be conveyed by accident)
Naah, it'd be displayed as a VU-meter style 10-LED display. When you boot it, all ten LEDs slowly light up as the boot progresses. Then when you go online, the 11th LED superglued onto the end of the other ten lights up as well. Peter.
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
... Naah, it'd be displayed as a VU-meter style 10-LED display. When you boot it, all ten LEDs slowly light up as the boot progresses. Then when you go online, the 11th LED superglued onto the end of the other ten lights up as well.
Peter++ ... then, somewhere in the background: KISS begins to play.
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