FCC comes to CCC? "No GSM test network at 32C3"
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151115-no_gsm_at_32c3/ No GSM test network at 32C3 Harald Welte 2015-11-15 I currently don't assume that there will be a GSM network at the 32C3. Ever since OpenBSC was created in 2008, the annual CCC congress was a great opportunity to test OpenBSC and related software with thousands of willing participants. In order to do so, we obtained a test licence from the German regulatory authority. This was never any problem, as there was a chunk of spectrum in the 1800 MHz GSM band that was not allocated to any commercial operator, the so-called DECT guard band. It's called that way as it was kept free in order to ensure there is no interference between 1800 MHz GSM and the neighboring DECT cordless telephones. Over the decades, it was determined on a EU level that this guard band might not be necessary, or at least not if certain considerations are taken for BTSs deployed in that band. When the German regulatory authority re-auctioned the GSM spectrum earlier this year, they decided to also auction the frequencies of the former DECT guard band. The DECT guard band was awarded to Vodafone. This is a pity, as this means that people involved with cellular research or development of cellular technology now have it significantly harder to actually test their systems. In some other EU member states it is easier, like in the Netherlands or the UK, where the DECT guard band was not treated like any other chunk of the GSM bands, but put under special rules. Not so in Germany. To make a long story short: Without the explicit permission of any of the commercial mobile operators, it is not possible to run a test/experimental network like we used to ran at the annual CCC congress. Given that the event is held in the city center (where frequencies are typically used and re-used quite densely), and an operator has nothing to gain from permitting us to test our open source GSM/GPRS implementations, I think there is little chance that this will become a reality. If anyone has really good contacts to the radio network planning team of a German mobile operator and wants to prove me wrong: Feel free to contact me by e-mail. Thanks to everyone involved with the GSM team at the CCC events, particularly Holger Freyther, Daniel Willmann, Stefan Schmidt, Jan Luebbe, Peter Stuge, Sylvain Munaut, Kevin Redon, Andreas Eversberg, Ulli (and everyone else whom I may have forgot, my apologies). It's been a pleasure! Thanks also to our friends at the POC (Phone Operation Center) who have provided interfacing to the DECT, ISDN, analog and VoIP network at the events. Thanks to roh for helping with our special patch requests. Thanks also to those entities and people who borrowed equipment (like BTSs) in the pre-sysmocom years. So long, and thanks for all the fish!
These boys and girls should probably approach Vodafone. I wouldn't be surprised that if Vodafone isn't using the frequency range or its not particularly congested they might allow its use. They are a funny bunch, Vodafone, and despite some 'difficult' business practices can sometimes be helpful :) On 15/11/15 21:16, coderman wrote:
http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151115-no_gsm_at_32c3/
No GSM test network at 32C3
Harald Welte
2015-11-15
I currently don't assume that there will be a GSM network at the 32C3.
Ever since OpenBSC was created in 2008, the annual CCC congress was a great opportunity to test OpenBSC and related software with thousands of willing participants. In order to do so, we obtained a test licence from the German regulatory authority. This was never any problem, as there was a chunk of spectrum in the 1800 MHz GSM band that was not allocated to any commercial operator, the so-called DECT guard band. It's called that way as it was kept free in order to ensure there is no interference between 1800 MHz GSM and the neighboring DECT cordless telephones.
Over the decades, it was determined on a EU level that this guard band might not be necessary, or at least not if certain considerations are taken for BTSs deployed in that band.
When the German regulatory authority re-auctioned the GSM spectrum earlier this year, they decided to also auction the frequencies of the former DECT guard band. The DECT guard band was awarded to Vodafone.
This is a pity, as this means that people involved with cellular research or development of cellular technology now have it significantly harder to actually test their systems.
In some other EU member states it is easier, like in the Netherlands or the UK, where the DECT guard band was not treated like any other chunk of the GSM bands, but put under special rules. Not so in Germany.
To make a long story short: Without the explicit permission of any of the commercial mobile operators, it is not possible to run a test/experimental network like we used to ran at the annual CCC congress.
Given that
the event is held in the city center (where frequencies are typically used and re-used quite densely), and an operator has nothing to gain from permitting us to test our open source GSM/GPRS implementations,
I think there is little chance that this will become a reality.
If anyone has really good contacts to the radio network planning team of a German mobile operator and wants to prove me wrong: Feel free to contact me by e-mail.
Thanks to everyone involved with the GSM team at the CCC events, particularly Holger Freyther, Daniel Willmann, Stefan Schmidt, Jan Luebbe, Peter Stuge, Sylvain Munaut, Kevin Redon, Andreas Eversberg, Ulli (and everyone else whom I may have forgot, my apologies). It's been a pleasure!
Thanks also to our friends at the POC (Phone Operation Center) who have provided interfacing to the DECT, ISDN, analog and VoIP network at the events. Thanks to roh for helping with our special patch requests. Thanks also to those entities and people who borrowed equipment (like BTSs) in the pre-sysmocom years.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 21:39:23 oshwm pisze:
These boys and girls should probably approach Vodafone. I wouldn't be surprised that if Vodafone isn't using the frequency range or its not particularly congested they might allow its use.
They are a funny bunch, Vodafone, and despite some 'difficult' business practices can sometimes be helpful :)
Indeed: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151116-gsm_at_32c3/ -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 11/16/15, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
...
They are a funny bunch, Vodafone, and despite some 'difficult' business practices can sometimes be helpful :)
Indeed: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151116-gsm_at_32c3/
happy ending! (never see this from FCC :)
On 16.11.15 22:24, rysiek wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 21:39:23 oshwm pisze:
These boys and girls should probably approach Vodafone. I wouldn't be surprised that if Vodafone isn't using the frequency range or its not particularly congested they might allow its use.
They are a funny bunch, Vodafone, and despite some 'difficult' business practices can sometimes be helpful :) Indeed: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151116-gsm_at_32c3/
Pretty good. See you there and THX for all that work, appreciated. It is not probably good idea to expect that somebody from tinfoil hat society will agree to meet IRL there, right? we can have a really lot of political clashes and sign our keys there, too. ;] - Over -- “Borders I have never seen one. But I have heard they exist in the minds of some people.” ― Thor Heyerdahl Telegram...................@over23 facebook chat..............overdrive23@chat.facebook.com facebook...................facebook.com/overdrive23 projects...................https://brmlab.cz/user/overdrive twitter....................https://twitter.com/#!/over2393 last.fm....................http://www.last.fm/user/overdrive23 GnuPG key FingerPrint......08EA E4DC EF85 0F02 9267 5B48 2E58 6902 C5F8 794C Public key ................http://overdrive.dronezone.eu/overdrive.txt
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 You might meet some of them but you won't know its them :D On 18 November 2015 21:41:09 GMT+00:00, Tomas Overdrive Petru <tpetru@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16.11.15 22:24, rysiek wrote:
Dnia niedziela, 15 listopada 2015 21:39:23 oshwm pisze:
These boys and girls should probably approach Vodafone. I wouldn't be surprised that if Vodafone isn't using the frequency range or its not particularly congested they might allow its use.
They are a funny bunch, Vodafone, and despite some 'difficult' business practices can sometimes be helpful :) Indeed: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/blog/20151116-gsm_at_32c3/
Pretty good. See you there and THX for all that work, appreciated.
It is not probably good idea to expect that somebody from tinfoil hat society will agree to meet IRL there, right? we can have a really lot of political clashes and sign our keys there, too. ;]
- Over
-- “Borders I have never seen one. But I have heard they exist in the minds of some people.” ― Thor Heyerdahl
Telegram...................@over23 facebook chat..............overdrive23@chat.facebook.com facebook...................facebook.com/overdrive23 projects...................https://brmlab.cz/user/overdrive twitter....................https://twitter.com/#!/over2393 last.fm....................http://www.last.fm/user/overdrive23 GnuPG key FingerPrint......08EA E4DC EF85 0F02 9267 5B48 2E58 6902 C5F8 794C Public key ................http://overdrive.dronezone.eu/overdrive.txt
- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQI7BAEBCgAlBQJWTPShHhxvc2h3bSA8b3Nod21Ab3Blbm1haWxib3gub3JnPgAK CRAqeAcYSpG1iDm9D/sEKAyENFQSZxIoIZtovQ/y1bxNYv+Csbz3JU6dt8UoYrg+ /GF+Lwr0Mll+EEo2wdLyEiBOy8LXpz2/OKyEMekcyx9HjtgxPw+mISQtsN80u8pO n9vwWhRikCUxmFbHahh7TyIzt370h8X09SEKwZE01raOeucOEDIMU8JoyrF9Jptk B7XcTxl0zVjMGJrlj33k467tll0IKCUzLS3nPR42rJRA/d+Kp5tq2rb4tTcETJ2g eA1/vaxEkY/OAaaWSSZ5URxc9qcafbpiWOGA0hknbWDc1MuLZj83XeL+s+crryGX voGHyE/LTZp+3xCzl6aiaTbquAwgPN2k3EOQQViS48ADK5TOi1V1KBWOYHY1Oobu +WXuLY6M4r3vcEmuV5zQ/rWqH/Fakd9RoRwgH2lyVbJABkWNXhA93i7F+SWiAFF1 Dbp8n/aJyyaLMiUp22k5uOuX8bdcb/W6RWZT6M7IQi9Xujgm63KdSHlEYYrSPxJ+ ZdX9s/2olq76+Bc370FQrqTH5XJ7vTd6VwMAh3bdlQ6UC8i2AY8DlmrsUFqi8qpu JfZWXNDOhhIaCiTt68brSCUhls2zqfFlmKgn2bkWzdqKl+92ZOlVFQrLEy2N90cM 3C8dh/sORaoyHBerwpMDkEVFL2h73xX/QuzF32inGdtpztcMU7RE5z/BDI/WXA== =DbSQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dnia środa, 18 listopada 2015 21:58:57 oshwm pisze:
You might meet some of them but you won't know its them :D
This. :D Not saying I will be there, but NoisySquare is always fun. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
participants (4)
-
coderman
-
oshwm
-
rysiek
-
Tomas Overdrive Petru