Assange still alive and kickin'...
Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has offered guarded praise of Donald Trump, arguing the president-elect “is not a DC insider” and could mean an opportunity for positive as well as negative change in the US.
Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview as “mixed” before going on to sharply criticize Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and providing a more ambivalent assessment of Trump’s ascent to the White House.
“Hillary Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power in the existing ruling class of the United States,” Assange told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica.
“Donald Trump is not a DC insider, he is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities.”
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC. It is a new patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the moment its looseness means there are opportunities for change in the United States: change for the worse and change for the better.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian-assange-donald-trump-hi...
Yep, my dear, I said he was alive weeks ago. Zzz was not informed about it, but you know, this "Hashist" guy is _not_ a real activist, is a pretty slow person and doesn't know to fake patterns well too, hahaha!! ;) On Dec 24, 2016 4:04 PM, "Rayzer" <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has offered guarded praise of Donald Trump, arguing the president-elect “is not a DC insider” and could mean an opportunity for positive as well as negative change in the US.
Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview as “mixed” before going on to sharply criticize Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and providing a more ambivalent assessment of Trump’s ascent to the White House.
“Hillary Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power in the existing ruling class of the United States,” Assange told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica.
“Donald Trump is not a DC insider, he is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities.”
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC. It is a new patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the moment its looseness means there are opportunities for change in the United States: change for the worse and change for the better.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian- assange-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-interview
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/24/2016 02:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Yep, my dear, I said he was alive weeks ago. Zzz was not informed about it, but you know, this "Hashist" guy is _not_ a real activist, is a pretty slow person and doesn't know to fake patterns well too, hahaha!! ;)
IMO there are way too many questionable assertions built into the article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text. Example: "Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview..." An interview with whom, where, and when? The Byline is Ben Jacobs "in Washington," and since he does not say who interviewed Assange, I will presume it was not him - so the quotes from Assange have no provenance. One prefers journalists who hide in a spotlight that makes reprisals too costsly for hostile political operatives, to those who hide in dark shadows - an environment already well frequented by propagandists, spooks and other, even less trustworthy actors. I also see the article uncritically parroting very dubious propaganda talking points about the published DNC e-mail: "The releases were highly damaging to Clinton, and US intelligence officials now believe they were hacked by Russia and passed to WikiLeaks to boost Trump’s bid for the White House." Said what accountable person, when, where and to whom? The sole source for the Russia Did It canard is an October press release from DHS that says the release is "consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts." This is attributed to the USIC, an acronym for United States Intelligence Community. No such agency exists, so it is not possible for it to have an official spokesperson, except maybe the President - their ultimate boss, at least on paper. That said, the Assange quotes in the article sound exactly like Mendax to me. Is he alive or is he dead? Maybe the "embassy cat" some sources mention was a gift from Erwin Schrodinger. As a long time fan, I think Assange's present position is a Super position. Srsly: The best thing that ever happened to Julian Assange, in terms of his productive public service output, was forcing him to sit on stay in one place and stay busy enough to keep from going (even more) nuts. Powder don't go BOOM until is confined, but never mind that metaphor: Assange has already built a terrajoule railgun in his spare time, and orbital mind control lasers won't be far behind. :o)
On Dec 24, 2016 4:04 PM, "Rayzer" <Rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net>> wrote:
Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has offered guarded praise of Donald Trump, arguing the president-elect “is not a DC insider” and could mean an opportunity for positive as well as negative change in the US.
Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview as “mixed” before going on to sharply criticize Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and providing a more ambivalent assessment of Trump’s ascent to the White House.
“Hillary Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power in the existing ruling class of the United States,” Assange told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica.
“Donald Trump is not a DC insider, he is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities.”
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC. It is a new patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the moment its looseness means there are opportunities for change in the United States: change for the worse and change for the better.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian-assange-donald-tr ump-hillary-clinton-interview
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian-assange-donald-tru mp-hillary-clinton-interview>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/24/2016 03:30 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 12/24/2016 02:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Yep, my dear, I said he was alive weeks ago. Zzz was not informed about it, but you know, this "Hashist" guy is _not_ a real activist, is a pretty slow person and doesn't know to fake patterns well too, hahaha!! ;)
IMO there are way too many questionable assertions built into the article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text. Example:
"Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview..."
An interview with whom, where, and when? The Byline is Ben Jacobs "in Washington," and since he does not say who interviewed Assange, I will presume it was not him - so the quotes from Assange have no provenance.
Addendum: Here's an interview with provenance, and a fuckton more content: http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2016/12/23/news/assange_wikileaks-154754 000/?ref=HREC1-12 =or= https://tinyurl.com/gwnsbfa The dirty rotten filthy bastards collapsed his state vector! :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYXuEMAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqVVUIANJCamBFK1HbCbu1xXA+v8Zw xSSlIdeVycEpbUeQAn1QrOLUEf3/H8/ezq3pyQzgFbhTITafUbpjsCQHMW9GK2hi BcDORtVLLWOW0Oq1CcVQMW64bRanec/ewPwcsMe9KnBVe2WZUkN3xsaQZ6BCvLQe 0xPd6ekMI7BcjQu3uz1SeNClBOjuPwxHTyniCDswNleJkiD96HZpIdeP4FYx23hQ 4+WJhr6fKrkal0Y2r7jHqbhrFf/dGcnLDPqjQux4NWUJHWzA4340XR+PDGg3RY7H tAaXOCoEByacBZyO/N2Q6HkLPxc0rB3R4WJgQq4dI1bNe6jh0Sk6OQ7YCBm94vw= =jA19 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 03:56:44PM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote:
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On 12/24/2016 03:30 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 12/24/2016 02:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Yep, my dear, I said he was alive weeks ago. Zzz was not informed about it, but you know, this "Hashist" guy is _not_ a real activist, is a pretty slow person and doesn't know to fake patterns well too, hahaha!! ;)
IMO there are way too many questionable assertions built into the article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text. Example:
"Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview..."
An interview with whom, where, and when? The Byline is Ben Jacobs "in Washington," and since he does not say who interviewed Assange, I will presume it was not him - so the quotes from Assange have no provenance.
Addendum: Here's an interview with provenance, and a fuckton more content:
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2016/12/23/news/assange_wikileaks-154754 000/?ref=HREC1-12
=or=
The dirty rotten filthy bastards collapsed his state vector!
Thanks!
In these ten years of WikiLeaks, you and your organisation have experienced all sorts of attacks. What have you learned from this warfare?
"Power is mostly the illusion of power. The Pentagon demanded we destroy our publications. We kept publishing. Clinton denounced us and said we were an attack on the entire "international community". We kept publishing. I was put in prison and under house arrest. We kept publishing. We went head to head with the NSA getting Edward Snowden out of Hong Kong, we won and got him asylum. Clinton tried to destroy us and was herself destroyed. Elephants, it seems, can be brought down with string. Perhaps there are no elephants".
Some will hear this:
You've declared on more than one occasion that what you really miss after 6 years of arrest and confinement is your family. Your children gave you a present to make you to feel less alone: a kitten. Have you ever reconsidered your choices?
"Yes, of course. Fortunately I'm too busy to think about these things all the time. I know that my family and my children are proud of me, that they benefit in some ways from having a father who knows some parts of the world and has become very good in a fight, but in other ways they suffer".
Thank you Steve. Thank you Julian. -- * Certified Deplorable Neo-Nazi Fake News Hunter (TM)(C)(R) * Executive Director of Triggers, Ministry of Winning * Weapons against traditional \/\/European\/\/ values: http://davidduke.com/jewish-professor-boasts-of-jewish-pornography-used-as-a... * How Liberal Lefties view the world: http://bbs.dailystormer.com/uploads/default/optimized/3X/0/4/042cb95724339d5...
On Dec 24, 2016 5:30 PM, "Steve Kinney" <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
IMO there are way too many questionable assertions built into the
article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text. My love, I said that Assange is alive only, not that I agree with the article or with him. Rr is right, Assange is still alive and kicking, but probably will be kicked soon. Well, I sincerely hope he knows exactly what he is doing... :-/ Hey, Steve, you are one of my favorite DJs. May you help me with our Christmas/Hanukkah/Chomsky's Day soundtrack, please? :) I always think about "Merry Xmas (War Is Over)", but it would definitely not be original... :P Kisses, I love you! <3 Ceci
On 12/24/2016 12:30 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
there are way too many questionable assertions built into the article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text.
If nothing else, Julian Assange is a master manipulator on the order of... ahem. Donald Trump. Listen to what he says about why he's less worried about il Douche... Absolutely prescient. The good imho? Trump will force people to gtfo their asses and into the streets. Something they should have done years ago (but the society's repressive desublimation is crippling when there's 'teflon' in the White House). The bad? For Americans, their rights are OSTENSIBLY endangered in place of, lets say "Syrian lives" (or Yemeni, or Somali etc) in danger. That's hard on one's very merican self-centric exceptionalism. Human Rights Watch is actual running a fund-raising campaign based on the strong belief in the US that their Human Rights are in danger b/c [insert progressive cause here]. Rr
On 12/24/2016 02:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Yep, my dear, I said he was alive weeks ago. Zzz was not informed about it, but you know, this "Hashist" guy is _not_ a real activist, is a pretty slow person and doesn't know to fake patterns well too, hahaha!! ;)
IMO there are way too many questionable assertions built into the article, and it has some of the earmarks of a heavily re-edited and/or manipulative text. Example:
"Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview..."
An interview with whom, where, and when? The Byline is Ben Jacobs "in Washington," and since he does not say who interviewed Assange, I will presume it was not him - so the quotes from Assange have no provenance.
One prefers journalists who hide in a spotlight that makes reprisals too costsly for hostile political operatives, to those who hide in dark shadows - an environment already well frequented by propagandists, spooks and other, even less trustworthy actors.
I also see the article uncritically parroting very dubious propaganda talking points about the published DNC e-mail: "The releases were highly damaging to Clinton, and US intelligence officials now believe they were hacked by Russia and passed to WikiLeaks to boost Trump’s bid for the White House." Said what accountable person, when, where and to whom?
The sole source for the Russia Did It canard is an October press release from DHS that says the release is "consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts." This is attributed to the USIC, an acronym for United States Intelligence Community. No such agency exists, so it is not possible for it to have an official spokesperson, except maybe the President - their ultimate boss, at least on paper.
That said, the Assange quotes in the article sound exactly like Mendax to me. Is he alive or is he dead? Maybe the "embassy cat" some sources mention was a gift from Erwin Schrodinger. As a long time fan, I think Assange's present position is a Super position.
Srsly: The best thing that ever happened to Julian Assange, in terms of his productive public service output, was forcing him to sit on stay in one place and stay busy enough to keep from going (even more) nuts.
Powder don't go BOOM until is confined, but never mind that metaphor: Assange has already built a terrajoule railgun in his spare time, and orbital mind control lasers won't be far behind.
:o)
On Dec 24, 2016 4:04 PM, "Rayzer" <Rayzer@riseup.net <mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net>> wrote:
Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has offered guarded praise of Donald Trump, arguing the president-elect “is not a DC insider” and could mean an opportunity for positive as well as negative change in the US.
Assange described his feelings about the US election results in an interview as “mixed” before going on to sharply criticize Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and providing a more ambivalent assessment of Trump’s ascent to the White House.
“Hillary Clinton’s election would have been a consolidation of power in the existing ruling class of the United States,” Assange told the Italian newspaper la Repubblica.
“Donald Trump is not a DC insider, he is part of the wealthy ruling elite of the United States, and he is gathering around him a spectrum of other rich people and several idiosyncratic personalities.”
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC. It is a new patronage structure which will evolve rapidly, but at the moment its looseness means there are opportunities for change in the United States: change for the worse and change for the better.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian-assange-donald-tr ump-hillary-clinton-interview
<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/24/julian-assange-donald-tru mp-hillary-clinton-interview>
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:03:53 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC.
stupid bullshit.
On 12/24/2016 03:32 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:03:53 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC.
stupid bullshit.
"Young Turks" can be seen that way, and they don't have to be young. Just... ahem. Insurgent and predatory on the existing order, when viewed by that order. Then they win. Rr Ps. I just implied that you're a (omm-fg!) statist ... mother-buggering hypocrite troll.
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:58:08 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2016 03:32 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:03:53 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC.
stupid bullshit.
"Young Turks" can be seen that way, and they don't have to be young. Just... ahem. Insurgent and predatory on the existing order, when viewed by that order. Then they win.
Rr
Ps. I just implied that you're a (omm-fg!) statist ... mother-buggering hypocrite troll.
I don't even know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are drunk? Then again, a commie troll who sucks castro's cock (necrofilia eh) calling....anyone...statist? Seridouly razer? Are you that pathetic? "Let it be known......Castro was a true hero."
On 12/24/2016 06:20 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 16:58:08 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
On 12/24/2016 03:32 PM, juan wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:03:53 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
He added: “They do not by themselves form an existing structure, so it is a weak structure which is displacing and destabilising the pre-existing central power network within DC. stupid bullshit.
"Young Turks" can be seen that way, and they don't have to be young. Just... ahem. Insurgent and predatory on the existing order, when viewed by that order. Then they win.
Rr
Ps. I just implied that you're a (omm-fg!) statist ... mother-buggering hypocrite troll.
I don't even know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are drunk?
Suck my cock ... I don't drink. The origin of "Statist" doesn't have to do with 'state' It has to do with conservative ideology. You implied an insurgent power structure was "/Stupid bullshit/" ...Statist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statists_(Belgium) Rr
On Sun, 25 Dec 2016 09:12:17 -0800 Rayzer <Rayzer@Riseup.net> wrote:
Suck my cock ... I don't drink.
The origin of "Statist" doesn't have to do with 'state'
You don't drink? Well, that may be your naturally rotten brain in action then. Sure, statist has nothing to do with state. Hot has nothing to do with fire. Et cetera...
It has to do with conservative ideology.
You implied an insurgent power structure was "/Stupid bullshit/" ...Statist.
No retard. I 'implied' that assange's mildly pro-trump comment was bullshit. Get it now? And you are again underscoring that nonsense? You think that trump has anything to do with any 'insurgent' power structure? Again, are you drunk, or just naturally detached from reality?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statists_(Belgium)
Rr
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